How Do Gravitational Waves Impact a Solid Sphere of Mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of gravitational waves on a solid sphere of mass, exploring theoretical implications and potential behaviors of the sphere when subjected to these waves. Participants examine concepts related to resonance, deformation, and the nature of gravitational waves, including their interaction with matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the effects of gravitational waves on a solid sphere, contrasting it with known effects on a dust sphere.
  • Another participant suggests that bonding forces within the sphere may counteract the effects of gravitational waves, acting as a resonator depending on the frequency of the waves.
  • There is a question about whether gravitational waves induce motion along the direction of impact or if energy is dissipated perpendicularly, with some suggesting that there should be no net motion.
  • A participant mentions a stochastic background of gravitational waves potentially acting like a weakly repulsive cosmological constant.
  • Discussion arises regarding whether gravitational waves, or gravitons, possess a gravitational field similar to other particles, with some expressing uncertainty about the quantum implications of this idea.
  • Another participant states that gravitational waves can cause bending of light and space, indicating their influence on the fabric of spacetime.
  • A question is raised about whether black holes generate gravitational waves, indicating an interest in the sources of these waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effects of gravitational waves, with no consensus reached on the specific impacts on a solid sphere or the nature of gravitational waves themselves. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these waves at both classical and quantum levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as resonance, bonding forces, and the decay of gravitational waves over distance, but these ideas are not fully resolved or agreed upon. The discussion includes speculative elements regarding the nature of gravitons and their gravitational properties.

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What effect would a train of gravitational waves have when it hits a solid sphere of mass?
We know about its expected effect on a dust sphere where it is ellipsed alternately in x and y direction. I would like to know how would an isolated solid sphere be affected when it is hit by a train of gravitational waves?

Would appreciate if the regular professionals respond - no speculating amateurs please!

Thanks.
 
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Is there no one here who wants to tackle this?! (The previous caveat stands though).
 
We know about its expected effect on a dust sphere
So you know what the wave tries to do with the sphere. Bonding forces will try to counteract the respective change in distance. Basically, you have a resonator: if the waves are of low frequency, bonding forces will keep the body in shape without noticeable effects. If the wave frequency coincides with a resonant frequency of the body, it will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave_detector#Weber_bars", as the counteracting force is out of phase then.
 
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Ich said:
So you know what the wave tries to do with the sphere. Bonding forces will try to counteract the respective change in distance. Basically, you have a resonator: if the waves are of low frequency, bonding forces will keep the body in shape without noticeable effects. If the wave frequency coincides with a resonant frequency of the body, it will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave_detector#Weber_bars", as the counteracting force is out of phase then.

Thanks Ich for taking this on.
Is there any motion of the object along the direction of impact of the waves? In other words do they act like a repulsive force? Or is all energy of the waves dissipated in the perpendecular direction of the impact, and there is no net displacement of the body in any direction?
 
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Are you sure? I thought gravitational waves worked by length contraction and time dilation.
 
Is there any motion of the object along the direction of impact of the waves?
I don't think so, if you don't count that "ringing", which deforms the body also along the direction of impact. There should be no net motion, however.
But I read in a paper that a stochastic background of waves (in all directions) can act like a cosmological constant, very weakly repulsive.
 
Ich said:
I don't think so, if you don't count that "ringing", which deforms the body also along the direction of impact. There should be no net motion, however.
But I read in a paper that a stochastic background of waves (in all directions) can act like a cosmological constant, very weakly repulsive.

Intriguing! Could you please post the link to that paper.
Do you know how that weak repulsion could be made consistent with the fact that the amplitude of gravity waves decays as the inverse of distance and therefore the energy of the waves decline. Will the repulsion decay with distance as well? If so, at what proportion to distance?

Thanks.
 
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1922"
They're talking about waves that fill the whole universe, so it makes not much sense to introduce 1/r² here either. They decay over time.
 
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Ich said:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1922"
They're talking about waves that fill the whole universe, so it makes not much sense to introduce 1/r² here either. They decay over time.

Thanks for the link Ich.

Now slightly shifting the focus:

Do gravitational waves, i.e., real gravitons, have a gravitational field, like any normal particle has a gravitational field? Or are real gravitons gravitationally 'neutral'?
 
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Do gravitational waves, i.e., real gravitons, have a gravitational field, like any normal particle has a gravitational field?
Hmpf. :confused:

Classically, gravity is nonlinear, i.e. creates gravity. I really have no idea how this translates to the quantum level.
<speculation>
Gravitons go at light speed, so they should gravitate like photons do.
Gravitons carry energy, so they are "charged" like gluons. That's responsible for accelerated expansion, the pioneer anomaly,and the financial crisis.
</speculation>
 
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Ich said:
Hmpf. :confused:

Classically, gravity is nonlinear, i.e. creates gravity. I really have no idea how this translates to the quantum level.
<speculation>
Gravitons go at light speed, so they should gravitate like photons do.
Gravitons carry energy, so they are "charged" like gluons. That's responsible for accelerated expansion, the pioneer anomaly,and the financial crisis.
</speculation>

Hmmm!:wink: Thanks for trying anyway.
 
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Gravitational waves do cause light and space to bend, in other words the GWs from a celestial object will cause this.
 
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Do black holes generate gravity waves?
 

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