How Can We Detect Gravitational Waves from Black Holes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the detection of gravitational waves emitted from black holes, exploring the properties of gravitational waves, their interaction with gravity, and the mechanics of their detection, particularly in the context of LIGO's observations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational waves have mass and are affected by gravity, while others clarify that gravitational waves are massless and carry energy without stress-energy.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of gravitational waves following the geometry of spacetime.
  • One participant questions how gravitational waves can be detected if they are emitted from black holes, leading to clarification that the waves detected by LIGO were emitted from outside the event horizons of merging black holes.
  • A later reply addresses the speed of gravitational waves, asserting that they are massless and travel at the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the mass of gravitational waves, with some asserting they have mass while others refute this claim. The discussion remains unresolved on the implications of gravitational waves emitted from black holes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the properties of gravitational waves and their detection mechanisms, particularly regarding their mass and speed.

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well since gravity waves are supposed to have mass, they are supposed to be effected by gravity itself, and :/ how are we supposed to detect gravitational waves emitted from a black hole when none can get out?
 
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negative said:
gravity waves are supposed to have mass

No, they don't. They carry energy, but they have zero stress-energy.

negative said:
they are supposed to be effected by gravity itself

In the sense that they follow the geometry of spacetime, yes.

negative said:
how are we supposed to detect gravitational waves emitted from a black hole when none can get out?

The gravitational waves detected by LIGO were not emitted from inside black holes. They were emitted from outside the horizons of merging black holes.
 
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PeterDonis said:
No, they don't. They carry energy, but they have zero stress-energy.
In the sense that they follow the geometry of spacetime, yes.
The gravitational waves detected by LIGO were not emitted from inside black holes. They were emitted from outside the horizons of merging black holes.
thank's that clears thing up. but , don't gravity waves move slower than the speed of light? 0_o still no mass?
 
negative said:
don't gravity waves move slower than the speed of light?

No. They are massless and move at the speed of light.
 
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