How do I calculate the time for P to return to its starting point?

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The problem involves a particle P attached to an elastic string, exploring its motion when released from a specific position. The context is centered around simple harmonic motion and the calculation of the time taken for the particle to return to its starting point after being released.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the equation of motion for the particle and its implications for calculating the time period of oscillation. Questions arise regarding the need to account for the string's slackening during the motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, considering various aspects of the motion, including the transition between simple harmonic motion and uniform velocity. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by the slackening of the string, and one participant offers to describe the motion further to aid in calculations.

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There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the different phases of motion, including segments of simple harmonic motion and uniform motion, as well as the initial conditions set by the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Hi

I am struggling with the second part of this problem. It reads this way:



A particle P of mass 0.8kg is attached to one end of a light elastic string of natural length 1.6m and modulus of elasticity 20N. The other end of the string is fixed to a point O on the smooth horizontal surface on which P rests. The particle is held at rest with OP = 2.6m and then released.

a)Show that the, while the string is taut, P moves with simple harmonic motion.

b)Calculate the time from the instant of release until P returns to its starting point for the first time?



How do I start the b part? Please help!




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Well, if you were able to do the first bit, then you showed that the equation of motion of P is of the form

m \ddot{x} = -\omega^2 x

The time taken for the particle to come back to its starting point after one cycle is nothing but the time period of this oscillation.
 
praharmitra said:
Well, if you were able to do the first bit, then you showed that the equation of motion of P is of the form

m \ddot{x} = -\omega^2 x

The time taken for the particle to come back to its starting point after one cycle is nothing but the time period of this oscillation.
Hmm! Will I not need to take into consideration the time it took the string to slacken?
 
Ah! good point, I missed that completely. Sorry.

Yes, you have to take that into consideration. I'll describe the motion to you, and the further calculation should be easy.

Lets put the origin of our coordinate system at O and the motion is along the x-axis.

The particle starts out at P (2.6,0). Till (1.6,0) the motion is simple harmonic (how much time does that take?). The particle then moves from (1.6,0) to (-1.6,0) with uniform velocity (how much?). Again it undergoes SHM from (-1.6,0) to (-2.6,0) and back to (-1.6,0). Yet again, it moves uniformly from (-1.6,0) to (1.6,0). And again undergoes SHM from (1.6,0) to (2.6,0). And its back after one round!

Can you now calculate the time?
 
praharmitra said:
Ah! good point, I missed that completely. Sorry.

Yes, you have to take that into consideration. I'll describe the motion to you, and the further calculation should be easy.

Lets put the origin of our coordinate system at O and the motion is along the x-axis.

The particle starts out at P (2.6,0). Till (1.6,0) the motion is simple harmonic (how much time does that take?). The particle then moves from (1.6,0) to (-1.6,0) with uniform velocity (how much?). Again it undergoes SHM from (-1.6,0) to (-2.6,0) and back to (-1.6,0). Yet again, it moves uniformly from (-1.6,0) to (1.6,0). And again undergoes SHM from (1.6,0) to (2.6,0). And its back after one round!

Can you now calculate the time?
Sorry for the delay of getting back to you. Its the scourge of the full time worker! I will give you a calculated response tonight. Thanks.
 

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