How do I convert from this mod number to a regular number?

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The discussion revolves around converting a modular arithmetic expression into a regular number, specifically in the context of calculating $(\frac{1}{4900})^{100}$ using modular arithmetic techniques. Participants explore various approaches to simplify the problem and express it in more manageable terms.

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  • One participant proposes using modular arithmetic to simplify the calculation of $(\frac{1}{4900})^{100}$, suggesting that $4900 \equiv 84 \ (\text{mod 112})$.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the calculation and the origin of the modulus $112$, seeking clarification on the problem being solved.
  • A participant explains that the modulus $112$ was chosen arbitrarily to make calculations easier and expresses a desire for a simpler method to solve the original problem without modular arithmetic.
  • One suggestion involves approximating $4900^{100}$ using logarithmic properties, providing an alternative approach to the problem.
  • Another participant offers a method using logarithms to estimate $4900^{100}$, indicating that this approach would have been straightforward in the past.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to convert the modular expression into a regular number, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the choice of modulus and the specific goals of the calculations, as well as the accuracy of the approximations provided.

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So I was working on solving $(\frac{1}{4900})^{100}$, and I figured the only way to do this neatly is through modular arithmetic.

I found that $4900 \equiv 84 \ (\text {mod 112})$, so I concluded $$\frac{1^{100}}{84^{10}\times84^{10} \ (\text{mod 112})}$$

Which should equal $$\frac{1}{3.06\times10^{38} \ (\text{mod 112})}$$

Now, this is still in mod form. How do I convert that value to a regular number, by mostly hand? When I tried converting it with the equation $n=qm+r$ where n is the number we wish to convert to, q is our quotient, m is the mod we're using, and r is the remainder; solving for n I got 84, but that doesn't sound right at all.
 
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Hi SigmaS,

What are you 'solving' exactly?
Are you trying to calculate $(4900^{-1})^{100}\pmod{112}$?
Or something else? If something else, where is the $112$ coming from?
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hi SigmaS,

What are you 'solving' exactly?
Are you trying to calculate $(4900^{-1})^{100}\pmod{112}$?
Or something else? If something else, where is the $112$ coming from?

The 112 was just arbitrarily determined. I wanted to make $4900^{100}$ easy to calculate by hand. And I'm just trying to solve the probability of the problem, but expressed in much simpler terms.

if there's a better way to solve the original problem without modular arithmetic, then that would be great
 
How about:
$$4900^{100}\approx (\frac 12\cdot 10^4)^{100}=\frac 1{(2^{10})^{10}}\cdot 10^{400}
=\frac 1{(1024)^{10}}\cdot 10^{400}\approx \frac 1{10^{30}}\cdot 10^{400}=1\cdot10^{370}$$
? (Wondering)
 
Sixty years ago, this would have been an easy exercise in logarithms. $\log49 \approx 1.690196$, so $\log4900 \approx 3.690196$, and $\log(4900^{100}) \approx 369.0196$. Now take the antilog, to get $4900^{100}\approx 1.046\times 10^{369}.$
 

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