How do I derive a wave function for an electron in a finite potential well?

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The discussion centers on deriving the wave function for an electron in a finite potential well, exploring both infinite and finite potential scenarios. Participants share their approaches, mathematical formulations, and seek clarification on boundary conditions and solutions.

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  • One participant outlines a method for deriving the wave function for an electron in an infinite potential well, using differential equations and boundary conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that the general solution consists of both sine and cosine functions, depending on the boundary conditions applied.
  • There is a discussion about how to derive wave functions for finite potential wells, with emphasis on matching conditions at the boundaries and the need for numerical solutions to find energy levels.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between sine and cosine solutions, questioning whether they represent different states or are merely transformations of each other.
  • References to external resources, such as videos and handbooks, are made to illustrate standard solutions for different potential scenarios.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework for infinite potential wells but express differing views on the implications and methods for finite potential wells. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific approaches to deriving wave functions in these contexts.

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Participants note that deriving wave functions for finite potentials involves complexities that may require numerical methods, and there is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on boundary conditions and potential values.

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I'd like to get some help and pointers on how to derive a wave function. Since I'm not really good at physics I'm just going to use brute force, if anyone spot a mistake please please point it out.

If I look at an electron in an well with infinite potential walls. The well has the dimensions -a<x<a

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\Psi d^2}{dx^2} = E \Psi[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle k^2 = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}[/itex]

Gives
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\Psi d^2}{dx^2} = -k^2 \Psi[/itex]

Solutions to diff equation

[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) = A \cos kx + B \sin kx[/itex]

Boundarys [itex]\displaystyle \Psi(\pm a) = 0 \rightarrow B = 0[/itex] and [itex]\displaystyle A = 0[/itex] or [itex]\displaystyle \cos ka = 0[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle k=\frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{2a}[/itex]

Now
[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) = A \cos \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{2a} x[/itex]

I also know that the integral from -a to a of the square should be equal to one.

[itex]\displaystyle \int^{-a}_a \left|\Psi(x) \right|^2\,dx = 1[/itex]

Can now be written like this

[itex]\displaystyle \int^{-a}_a A^2 \cos^2 \left( \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{2a} x \right) \,dx = 1[/itex]

Some trigonometry

[itex]\displaystyle A^2 \int^{-a}_a \frac{1}{2} \,dx + A^2 \int^{-a}_a \cos \left( \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{a} x \right) \,dx = 1[/itex][itex]\displaystyle A^2 a + A^2 \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{a} \sin \left( \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{a}(+a) \right) - A^2 \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{a} \sin \left( \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{a} (-a) \right) = 1[/itex]

Since the sin parts becomes zero.

[itex]\displaystyle A = \frac{1}{\sqrt{a}}[/itex]

Finally

[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{a}} \cos \frac{\pi(2n - 1)}{2a} x[/itex]

I take it this solution is in the interval -a < x < a, in all other points the function is zero. If this is somewhat correct, is there a more elegant way of doing this, or are there some standard solutions that can be used to find a particular solution?

Edit, how do I derive a wave function if a wall is at a certain potential, not infinite? For instance an electron in the third state in a 5 eV potential wall. I know that the function is exponential declining. But how do I determine where the nodes are and how high the wave function is at x = a?
 
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liquidFuzz said:
Solutions to diff equation

[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) = A \cos kx + B \sin kx[/itex]

Boundarys [itex]\displaystyle \Psi(\pm a) = 0 \rightarrow B = 0[/itex] and [itex]\displaystyle A = 0[/itex] or [itex]\displaystyle \cos ka = 0[/itex]

Better: (A = 0 and sin ka = 0) or (B = 0 and cos ka = 0). This leads to a second set of solutions using sines, with different energies. The total set of solutions is the union of the two sets.

I take it this solution is in the interval -a < x < a, in all other points the function is zero. If this is somewhat correct, is there a more elegant way of doing this, or are there some standard solutions that can be used to find a particular solution?

This is pretty much the standard way to do it for the infinite square well, which you can find in any number of textbooks and Web pages. It doesn't actually derive the fact that the general solution consists of sines and cosines, but you can get that from standard methods for solving ordinary differential equations; see a textbook on differential equations for that.

Edit, how do I derive a wave function if a wall is at a certain potential, not infinite? For instance an electron in the third state in a 5 eV potential wall. I know that the function is exponential declining. But how do I determine where the nodes are and how high the wave function is at x = a?

At x = a the wave function for -a < x < a must match the wave function for x > a, that is:

[tex]A \cos ka = Ce^{-ka}[/tex] (and B = 0)

or

[tex]B \sin ka = Ce^{-ka}[/tex] (and A = 0)

The functions must also match at x = -a (the other boundary) but this simply leads you to the same results as the above equations.

Unfortunately you cannot solve for a (and therefore E) using only algebra. You have to do it numerically. After you've done that you can find A, B and C. This is also a standard topic. If you do a Google search for "finite square well" you'll probably find some methods for doing it.
 
Mhmm... when I got the cos() function I thought, all right an even function. Since the well I presumed was symmetric I thought that was a good thing. Wouldn't the sin(some angle) variant just be a image of the cos(the angle I calculated) solution..? (Considering the boundary conditions.)

C1 sin(some angle) = C2 cos(the angle a calculated)

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I get the boundaries explanation a with a non infinite potential. By just looking at it: If I know the potential isn't it quite easy to determine [itex]C e^{-ka}[/itex]?
 
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I just found a nice series of videos on youtube and in Physics Handbook the solutions are stated for different potentials(Ep). Like you said:

[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) A e^{ikx} + B e^{-ikx}[/itex] where [itex]\displaystyle k = \frac{1}{\hbar} \sqrt{2m(E-E_p)}[/itex]

If the potential is higher than the particle energy.

[itex]\displaystyle \Psi(x) C e^{lx} + B e^{-lx}[/itex] where [itex]\displaystyle l = \frac{1}{\hbar} \sqrt{2m(E_p-E)}[/itex]

By the way, thanks a heap!
 
liquidFuzz said:
Mhmm... when I got the cos() function I thought, all right an even function. Since the well I presumed was symmetric I thought that was a good thing.

A symmetric potential has both even and odd eigenfunctions of energy. See these graphs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Particle_in_a_box_wavefunctions_2.svg

n = 1 and 3 in this diagram correspond to your n = 1 and 2.

n = 2 and 4 in this diagram are the first two energy eigenfunctions that use sines. Their energies and wavelengths fall in between those for the cosines.
 
liquidFuzz said:
I just found a nice series of videos on youtube and in Physics Handbook the solutions are stated for different potentials(Ep).

These are for non-zero potential inside the well, and infinite outside. I thought you were asking about the case where the potential is zero inside and non-infinite outside.
 
Thanks for the clarification!
 

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