How do i find quantities in fusion formulae

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of energy outcomes in fusion reactions, specifically the fusion of carbon isotopes (C-12) into magnesium (Mg-24). Participants explore how to quantify energy release based on specific amounts of carbon and the complexities involved in such calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the energy assigned in the fusion equation and how to apply it to a specific quantity of carbon.
  • Another participant clarifies that the energy of 13.93 MeV corresponds to the fusion of two C-12 atoms into one Mg-24 atom and suggests counting the number of carbon atoms in the given mass.
  • A further contribution explains that the energy release is based on the mass difference between the reactants and products, and emphasizes that the reaction is more likely under certain conditions, such as head-on collisions of carbon nuclei.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to accurately determine the energy outcome for a specific quantity of carbon.
  • Another response details the need to know branching ratios and yield fractions for various reactions, providing a formula for calculating total energy based on these factors, while noting the challenges in achieving accurate results due to the complexities of carbon fusion in stellar environments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the calculation of energy outcomes, with some proposing methods while others highlight the uncertainties and complexities involved. No consensus is reached on a definitive method for accurate calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in reproducing the conditions necessary for carbon fusion on Earth, which affects the accuracy of their calculations. The discussion includes references to branching ratios and yield fractions, indicating the dependence on specific reaction pathways.

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in the equation *C^12+C^12-->Mg^24+y(+13.93 MeV)* for what quantity is the energy assigned? and how would i plug in a certain amount of carbon?
 
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If I understand your question correctly, the energy given is for two atoms of C12 combining to form one atom of Mg24. If you want to plug in an amount of carbon, count the atoms in the quantity.
 
The 13.93 MeV would be difference mass of the 2 C-12's and the Mg-24, and would be given off as a gamma ray for each nuclear reaction. Since it is based on 2 carbons, one would use the number of carbon atoms in half the carbon mass to determine a total energy yield.

The reaction is more likely when the carbon nuclei are traveling head on at each other.]

Keep in mind that other reactions are also possible, and perhaps more likely.

http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/stars/FusionCarbonOxygen.html

http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/carbon_fusion.htm

http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/astr122/Notes/ch20/carbon.html
 
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thanks, but how then would i accurately find energy out come for a specific quantity?
 
littleinstien said:
thanks, but how then would i accurately find energy out come for a specific quantity?
A specific quantity of carbon?

Well, one would have to know the branching ratios (or yield fractions) of the possible reactions, i.e. the fraction of 12C + 12C reactions that result in each of several products, and how much energy is produced for each reaction.

Then it's a matter of taking the mass of 12C, determining the number of 12C nuclei, divide that by half because 1 C-C fusion uses two nuclei, and multipy by the yield fraction and energy per reactions.

So the total energy would be N/2*(f1Q1 + f2Q2 + . . . + fiQi) where fi is the yield fraction of reaction i, and Qi is the energy release per reaction i.

The number of atoms (nuclei) is just the mass (kg)*/(atom mass in amu *1.66E-27 kg/amu).

It's not really possible to get an 'accurate' answer because carbon fusion occurs under rather complicated circumstances that we cannot reproduce experimentally on Earth. We can produce 50 keV carbon ions, but they will not be +12 ions, and the target will not be ionized either, so one would have to go to higher energies. However, we cannot reproduce densities found in heavy stars (2 x 108 kg/m3). So the best we can do is approximate with models of stars.
 

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