How do I find the magnitude of this function?

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude of a complex function represented as a sum of exponential terms. Participants explore various approaches to compute the magnitude, including the use of Euler's identity and the properties of complex conjugates. The context includes mathematical reasoning and homework-related inquiries.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function R(j ω) and expresses uncertainty on how to proceed with finding its magnitude.
  • Another participant suggests that the task may involve finding the peak value of a signal and its harmonics, proposing the use of Euler's identity.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of using Euler's identity, noting that it leads to multiple sine and cosine terms in the expression for R(j ω).
  • A participant recommends sticking with exponential notation and using the property |z|² = zz* to compute the magnitude, suggesting that simplification will yield a manageable expression.
  • There is a discussion about the correct form of the complex conjugate, with one participant proposing two different expressions for R* and seeking clarification on which is correct.
  • Another participant clarifies the correct form of the conjugate, emphasizing the relationship between the real and imaginary components in the context of Euler's formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to take for finding the magnitude, particularly regarding the use of Euler's identity and the correct formulation of the complex conjugate. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the methodology.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the function and the definitions of terms used, as well as unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented by participants.

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Homework Statement


I'm asked to find the magnitude of the following complex function:

[tex]R(j \omega) = 1 + \exp{(-j \omega)} + \exp{(-j2 \omega)} + \exp{(-j3 \omega)} + \exp{(-j4 \omega)}[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I did the following but got stuck immediately as I'm not sure on how to proceed:

[tex]|R(j \omega)| = |1 + \exp{(-j \omega)} + \exp{(-j2 \omega)} + \exp{(-j3 \omega)} + \exp{(-j4 \omega)}|[/tex]
 
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I'm not sure what you are doing. Maybe finding the peak value of a signal and its harmonics?

I think the idea would be to use the identity from maths: ejW=cosW + j sinW
 
NascentOxygen said:
I'm not sure what you are doing. Maybe finding the peak value of a signal and its harmonics?

I think the idea would be to use the identity from maths: ejW=cosW + j sinW

I'm trying to find the magnitude. If I use euler's identity, then I would get multiple values of sin's and cosine's:
[tex]R(j \omega) = 1 + \cos{(\omega)} - j\sin{(\omega)} + \cos{(2\omega)} -j\sin{(2\omega)} ...[/tex]

How do you find the magnitude of that?
 
interxavier said:
I'm trying to find the magnitude. If I use euler's identity, then I would get multiple values of sin's and cosine's:
[tex]R(j \omega) = 1 + \cos{(\omega)} - j\sin{(\omega)} + \cos{(2\omega)} -j\sin{(2\omega)} ...[/tex]

How do you find the magnitude of that?
Initially, I would stick with exponential notation and recall that [itex]|z|^2=zz^*[/itex]. Once you have computed [itex]|z|^2=zz^*[/itex] and simplified, you should find that you are left with a rather nice expression, which you should be able to easily convert into a real, non-negative, trigonometric expression.
 
Hootenanny said:
Initially, I would stick with exponential notation and recall that [itex]|z|^2=zz^*[/itex]. Once you have computed [itex]|z|^2=zz^*[/itex] and simplified, you should find that you are left with a rather nice expression, which you should be able to easily convert into a real, non-negative, trigonometric expression.

Does that mean I take the conjugates like this:

[tex]R^{*} = 1 - \exp{(-j \omega)} - \exp{(-j2 \omega)} - \exp{(-j3 \omega)} - \exp{(-j4 \omega)}[/tex]

or

[tex]R^{*} = 1 + \exp{(j \omega)} + \exp{(j2 \omega)} + \exp{(j3 \omega)} + \exp{(j4 \omega)}[/tex]
 
interxavier said:
Does that mean I take the conjugates like this:

[tex]R^{*} = 1 - \exp{(-j \omega)} - \exp{(-j2 \omega)} - \exp{(-j3 \omega)} - \exp{(-j4 \omega)}[/tex]
No. Like this:
interxavier said:
[tex]R^{*} = 1 + \exp{(j \omega)} + \exp{(j2 \omega)} + \exp{(j3 \omega)} + \exp{(j4 \omega)}[/tex]
Remember that if [itex]z = Re^{i\theta}[/itex], then [itex]z^* = (e^{i\theta})^*R^*[/itex], but since R is real: [itex]z^* = R(e^{i\theta})^* = Re^{-i\theta}[/itex] (check this using Euler's formula if you are unsure).
 

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