How do I integrate expressions with varying mass and air resistance in a rocket?

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The discussion revolves around integrating expressions related to a rocket experiencing varying mass and air resistance. The original poster presents a scenario involving forces acting on the rocket, including drag proportional to velocity, and seeks guidance on how to integrate the resulting expressions.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass, velocity, and forces acting on the rocket. Questions arise regarding the separation of variables and the integration of expressions involving mass and velocity. The original poster expresses uncertainty about treating velocity as a constant in certain terms.

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Several participants have offered insights and clarifications, such as the relationship between mass loss and velocity. However, the original poster continues to seek a clearer path to isolate variables for integration. The discussion remains open with various interpretations being explored.

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The original poster mentions a specific reference book on mechanics and inquires about additional resources that might cover similar problems. There is an indication of constraints related to the complexity of the expressions involved and the challenge of integrating them effectively.

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Because this is not a 'formal' question I won't use the template.

I was wondering, what if I have a rocket (varying mass) with air resistance acting upon it?
Let's say the F=-kv
u is the speed of the rocket relative to the gas, and the rate of mass/second extracted is
b
without g it would look like this:
\frac{dv}{v} =-u \frac{dm}{mv}-\frac{k}{m}dt


My problem is that I don't know how I can integrate the expressions in the right side.
I'm sure I can't use the variable v as a constant in dm/mv but maybe I'm wrong.

The only book I have about mechanics is Berkeley's book, if this type of problems are in another, please point me to it. Thanks!
 
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Hi BitterX! :wink:
BitterX said:
u is the speed of the rocket relative to the gas, and the rate of mass/second extracted is b

dm/dt = -b …

does that help? :smile:
 
Ok, so:
F= ub - kv

m\frac{dv}{dt}= ub - kv

m\frac{dv}{dt}=ub-k\frac{dx}{dt}

now I'm still stuck

m\frac{dv}{v}=(\frac{ub}{v}-k)dt

vdt=dx \Rightarrow \frac{dt}{v}=\frac{dx}{v^2} = \frac{dv}{v^2 dt}

how can I isolate v to be only with dv?
should I use m=M_0 - bt?
 
Hi BitterX! :smile:
BitterX said:
Ok, so:
F= ub - kv

m\frac{dv}{dt}= ub - kv

Why did you introduce x in the next line?? :rolleyes:

Just separate the variables, and solve! :biggrin:
 
I'm really sorry, but that's exactly my problem.
I can't see how can I separate v and m,
If I divide by v and m I'm still stuck with \frac{ ub}{mv}dt
and \frac{ k}{m}dt

how can I integrate \frac{dt}{m} or \frac{dt}{mv}?

and more generally, is there a text about how to do these things?

Thanks for the help :)
 
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Thanks! I guess I'm blind :)
 

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