How Do I Integrate the Last Part of This Arc Length Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of an arc length equation derived from a given function, specifically focusing on the last part of the equation and potential methods for integration. The context includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the arc length equation and expresses uncertainty about integrating the last part, suggesting a possible missing substitution.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the equation and suggests that if it is correctly stated, it should be easy to integrate by collecting polynomials and integrating term by term.
  • A third participant clarifies the original function's derivative and provides a detailed breakdown of the calculations, ultimately suggesting that the expression simplifies to a form that should be easy to integrate.
  • One participant shares an online applet that calculates the arc length of the function, providing a numerical result.
  • Another participant points out that the applet's output does not directly address the original question regarding the integral.
  • A later reply acknowledges that while the applet provides the arc length, it does not solve the integral issue raised by the original poster.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the integration method, and there are competing views regarding the clarity of the equation and the relevance of the arc length calculation to the original question.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of the mathematical expressions used, and participants express different interpretations of the original equation and its derivative.

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I'm working on this problem

x^5/6+1/(10x^3) [1,2]

and I got the equation:

sqrt(1+(5x^4/6-3/10^4)^2) or
sqrt(1+25x^8/36+9/100x^8-1/2)

I'm not sure how to integrate the last part, is there some sort of obvious substitution I'm missing?
 
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Is the equation you get
[tex]\sqrt{1+ \frac{25 x^8}{36} + \frac{9}{100}x^8-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]
If so, it's easy to integrate (just collect polynomials and integrate term by term.
If not, please be a little more clear (use TeX if possible, or else at least put brackets when writing things like a/bc, which can be read as (a/b)*c or a/(b*c)).
 
CompuChip, that's clearly not what is intended because he did use parentheses to indicat that the x3 in the original function was in the denominator.

Let's check: y= x5/6+ 1/(10x3)= x5/6+ (1/10)x-3 has derivative y= (5/6)x4- (3/10)x-4. Squaring that, (y')2= (25/36)x8- 2(5/6)(3/10)+ (9/100)x-8= (25/36)x8- (1/2)= (9/100)x-8. Adding 1 to that just changes the "-1/2" to "+1/2" and since the first was a square, this is also a square with the sign changed: (a- b)2= a2- 2ab+ b2 while (a+b)= a2+ 2ab+ b2: 1+ (y')2= (25/36)x8+ (1/2)+ (9/100)x-8= [(5/6)x4+ (3/10)x-4]2 and so [itex]\sqrt{1+ (y')^2}= \sqrt{[(5/6)x^4+ (3/10)x^{-4}]^2}= (5/6)x^4+ (3/10)x^{-4}[/itex].
That should be easy to integrate.


(Tip: in general length integrals are very difficult. That's why calculus professors (who are not actually monsters) like tricks like the above that ensure the integral will be easy. It's a good idea to always check to see if you have a "perfect square"!)
 
But that doesn't answer his question, does it?
 
Yes it doesn't answer for integral to be found. Yet I thought he may want to know the length of the curve
 

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