How do I isolate y in terms of x?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of isolating the variable y in the equation x = 6y - y². Participants explore different methods for solving this quadratic equation, including the quadratic formula and completing the square, while expressing uncertainty about their approaches and results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the quadratic formula to isolate y, acknowledging that the result will still involve x.
  • Others propose rewriting the equation in standard form as y² - 6y + x = 0, noting that it may have two solutions, potentially complex.
  • One participant shares their results from using the quadratic formula, yielding y = 3 ± sqrt(36 - 4x), and questions whether completing the square might yield a different result.
  • Another participant confirms that both methods are valid but points out a mistake in the earlier calculation.
  • Some participants demonstrate the method of completing the square, leading to the expression y = 3 ± sqrt(x - 9), while noting a minor correction in the formulation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the discussion, indicating a lack of understanding of the methods being discussed.

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Participants generally agree that both the quadratic formula and completing the square are valid methods for isolating y, but there are discrepancies in the calculations and interpretations of the results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of specific steps taken by participants.

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Some participants mention potential mistakes in their calculations, and there are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of the results from both methods. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence and understanding among participants.

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I feel like I should know this already, but I need to isolate y in the equation:
[math]x= 6y-y^2[/math]
I was thinking of using the quadratic formula, but that would keep the equation in terms of x.

No matter how I seem to slice it, I can't figure out what to do... Which is kinda sad that I'm doing good on the larger problems, but struggle with what seems like should be simple.

Thanks for any guidance.
 
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Bmanmcfly said:
I feel like I should know this already, but I need to isolate y in the equation:
[math]x= 6y-y^2[/math]
I was thinking of using the quadratic formula, but that would keep the equation in terms of x.

No matter how I seem to slice it, I can't figure out what to do... Which is kinda sad that I'm doing good on the larger problems, but struggle with what seems like should be simple.

Thanks for any guidance.

Welcome to MHB, Bmanmcfly! :)

You are right to use the quadratic formula.
To do so, you need to rewrite it to the proper form.
And yes, in the result you will still have an x.
That is okay, you should treat x in this case just like a regular number.
 
Bmanmcfly said:
I feel like I should know this already, but I need to isolate y in the equation:
[math]x= 6y-y^2[/math]
I was thinking of using the quadratic formula, but that would keep the equation in terms of x.

No matter how I seem to slice it, I can't figure out what to do... Which is kinda sad that I'm doing good on the larger problems, but struggle with what seems like should be simple.

Thanks for any guidance.

You have to solve the second order equation $\displaystyle y^{2} - 6\ y + x=0$ where y is the unknown. Note that the (1) in general has two solutions that may be also complex...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Is this correct?? I used quadratic formula, and it gave me:

Y=3+/-sqrt(36-4x)

Or should I try this by "completing the square"?

Edit: This gave me y= 3+/-sqrt(9-x),

So, it seems either way I'm doing something right and/or something wrong
 
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Bmanmcfly said:
Is this correct?? I used quadratic formula, and it gave me:

Y=3+/-sqrt(36-4x)

Or should I try this by "completing the square"?

Either way works.
Your result is almost correct.
But it seems you made a mistake in the process.

You should have:
$$y=\frac{-(-6) \pm \sqrt{(-6)^2 - 4 \cdot 1 \cdot x}}{2 \cdot 1}$$
 
[solved]Re: Isolate y in terms of x

I like Serena said:
Either way works.
Your result is almost correct.
But it seems you made a mistake in the process.

You should have:
$$y=\frac{-(-6) \pm \sqrt{(-6)^2 - 4 \cdot 1 \cdot x}}{2 \cdot 1}$$

Thanks, ya, you're right. I feel kinda dumb to be having this as an issue.
 
The method of completing the square fits amazingly well here:

$$-y^2 +6y = x \implies -y^2 +6y -9 = x-9 \implies (3-y)^2 = x-9,$$

and from that we have that $y = 3 \pm \sqrt{x-9}$.
 
Fantini said:
The method of completing the square fits amazingly well here:

$$-y^2 +6y = x \implies -y^2 +6y -9 = x-9 \implies (3-y)^2 = x-9,$$

and from that we have that $y = 3 \pm \sqrt{x-9}$.

One small quibble...you want:

$$(3-y)^2=9-x$$
 
I didn't understand. :confused:
 
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$$-y^2+6y-9=-(3-y)^2$$
 

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