How do I prove an either/or inequality?

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Homework Statement


"Given: ##a,b,c∈ℤ##,
Prove: If ##2a+3b≥12m+1##, then ##a≥3m+1## or ##b≥2m+1##."

Homework Equations


##P:a≥3m+1##
##Q:b≥2m+1##
##R:2a+3b≥12m+1##

The Attempt at a Solution


Goal: ##~(P∨Q)≅(~P)∧(~Q)⇒~R##

Assume that ##a<3m+1## and ##b<2m+1##. Then ##2a+3b<2(3m+1)+3(2m+1)=12m+5##. But this doesn't necessarily imply that ##2a+3b>12m+1##. Can someone help me connect the dots?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
But this doesn't necessarily imply that ##2a+3b>12m+1##.
The problem doesn't ask you to prove that. Your proof by contradiction is complete as it is.
CORRECTION: I should have said proof by contrapositive.
CORRECTION 2: I completely missed the point that the OP proves <12m+5 but it needs <12m+1
 
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Hi,

Your statement must be wrong since ##a=5,b=1## and ##m=1## clearly violate it.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Goal: ## not(P∨Q)≅( not P)∧( not Q)⇒ not R##
Note. Tildas are difficult to do in LaTeX. I don't know how to do them. Here is a readable version of your Goal.
 
FactChecker said:
Your proof by contradiction is complete as it is.

I was trying to do proof by contra-positive, but I ended up with an inequality in my original post that says nothing about my original statement. I figured that it was only conditionally true. So I ended up with a statement just saying that the statement is false when at least one of the inequalities is false; then I gave a counter-example.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:

Homework Statement


"Given: ##a,b,c∈ℤ##,
Prove: If ##2a+3b≥12m+1##, then ##a≥3m+1## or ##b≥2m+1##."

Homework Equations


##P:a≥3m+1##
##Q:b≥2m+1##
##R:2a+3b≥12m+1##

The Attempt at a Solution


Goal: ##~(P∨Q)≅(~P)∧(~Q)⇒~R##

Assume that ##a<3m+1## and ##b<2m+1##. Then ##2a+3b<2(3m+1)+3(2m+1)=12m+5##. But this doesn't necessarily imply that ##2a+3b>12m+1##. Can someone help me connect the dots?

Since ##a, b, m## are all integers, you can re-write the three inequalities in the original question by first removing the "+1" on all three right-hand-sides and replacing "≥" by ">". That works because both sides are integers. It is worth doing---try it and see.
 
If a < 3m+1 and you are restricted to integers, then you know that a ≤ A = 3m. Likewise b < 2m+1 implies b ≤ B = 2m. Compare 2a+3b with A+B and 12m+1.
CORRECTION: Should have said "Compare 2a+3b with 2A+3B and 12m+1."
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Since a,b,ma, b, m are all integers, you can re-write the three inequalities in the original question by first removing the "+1" on all three right-hand-sides and replacing "≥" by ">".

Well, that simplified my argument by a whole lot more. Thanks, too, @FactChecker.
 
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