How do I prove that f(x,y) <= g(x,y)

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The problem involves proving the inequality f(x,y) <= g(x,y) for positive integers x and y, where f(x,y) and g(x,y) are defined by specific mathematical expressions. Participants are exploring methods to establish this relationship through various approaches.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations by setting g(x,y) equal to a constant k and solving for x, but finds the resulting expressions complex. Other participants suggest looking for the minimum of the difference f - g and discuss solving f(x,y) = g(x,y) to find boundary conditions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions and exploring different methods to approach the inequality. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive directions have been proposed, such as finding the minimum of the difference and determining the boundary curve.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the expressions and the potential need to clear fractions for manual calculations. There is also mention of using computational tools to assist in finding solutions.

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Homework Statement



The problem is to prove that f(x,y) >= g(x,y)

x and y are positive integers

Homework Equations



f(x,y) = 1/6 { 2(x-y-2)/(x+2y-2) + 10(x-y+1)/(x+2y+1) }

g(x,y) = 2(x-y)/(x+2y)

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm looking for any general advice on how to approach this question. The approach that I have attempted is to set g(x,y) = k and then to solve for x.
x = -2y(k +1) / (k-2)

Then I substituted this formula back into the equation f(x,y) in the hopes that this would simply to a form that indicates that the inequality is true; however, after doing this a simple solution does not seem to fall out:

f(x,y) = 1/6 { (yk-2y-2k+2)/(-3y-k+2) + 10(-3yk-k-2)/(-6y+k-2))}

Any suggestions to how to approach this kind of problem or on this specific problem would be very appreciated!

Thanks
Dan
 
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Well, I'd look for the minimum of f - g. Did this help?
 
Dear Päällikkö,

That does seem to be a good suggestion, if I come to a good solution I will post it

Thanks!
Dan
 
I looks to me like it's actually pretty easy to solve f(x,y)=g(x,y) for a relation between x and y. That would give you the boundary curve separating the region where f(x,y)>g(x,y) from the region where f(x,y)<g(x,y).
 
Would you be willing to elaborate a bit more about how one could solve f(x,y)=g(x,y)?
Thanks in advance.
Dan
 
dmcglinn said:
Would you be willing to elaborate a bit more about how one could solve f(x,y)=g(x,y)?
Thanks in advance.
Dan

Actually, I cheated. I set f(x,y)=g(x,y) in a computer program and said 'solve for y'. The answer came out pretty simple. If you are doing it by hand I guess you'd have to clear out all the fractions by multiplying both sides by (x+2y-2)*(x+2y+1)*(x+2y), expand everything start cancelling. Offhand, I don't see any clever way to avoid that. Unless maybe substuting u=2x+y and v=x-y makes it easier to keep all the terms straight.
 

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