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The discussion revolves around rearranging an equation related to fluid dynamics, specifically concerning the pressure drop (dp) in a flow rate scenario down a circular tube. Participants are attempting to isolate dp in the equation provided by the original poster.

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  • Participants are exploring the implications of defining dp as a drop in pressure rather than a derivative. There are discussions about isolating terms in the equation and the potential simplifications that could arise from substituting known values, such as n = 0.5. Some participants question the clarity of the equation's formatting and its components.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on how to manipulate the equation, while others express confusion about specific steps or terminology. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to rearrange the equation, but several productive lines of reasoning have been presented.

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Participants note the absence of an attachment that was mentioned, which may hinder the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, there is a focus on the distinction between infinitesimal and finite changes in pressure, which is relevant to the problem at hand.

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[a]1. How do I make dp the subject?

Q=[(dp/dx)/2k]^(1/n).[pi/(1/n)+3].R^(1/n)+3

^= power of

Please Help

I also have attached the equation.

Thanks
M.Stephens
 
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What is your goal ?
 
I am trying to rearrange to work out dp. To make dp the subject.
 
If dp/dx stands for the derivative of p with respect to x, you can't just isolate dp [although you could consider dp to be dp/dx * dx. Anyway, you have Q = [(dp/dx)/2k]^(1/n) * S + 3, where S = some stuff. If you set y = dp/dx, can't you see how to solve for y, in terms of Q, S, k and n?

RGV
 
No the dp = drop in pressure. Does that make a lot of difference.

Thanks
MS
 
mstephens88 said:
Q=[(dp/dx)/2k]^(1/n).[pi/(1/n)+3].R^(1/n)+3

Why do you write this? Is it:

<br /> \frac{\pi}{\frac{1}{n}} = n \, \pi<br />

or did you mean something else? Also, there is no attachment.
 
The equation is for flow rate down a circular tube, in my question i am asked to rearrange the equation to find the pressue drop(dp).

I have attached a picture of the equation.

Thanks
 

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You can leave \left(\frac{dP/dx}{2 k}\right)^{1/n} on the r.h.s. and move everything else on the l.h.s.:

<br /> \frac{\left(3 + \frac{1}{n}\right)}{\pi} \, Q \, R^{-3 - \frac{1}{n}} = \left[\frac{dP/dx}{2 k}\right]^{\frac{1}{n}}<br />

What would be the next step?
 
sorry Dickfore but that doesn't make n e sense to me?
 
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What does tex n frac mean?
 
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Does the equation in the attachment look correct?
 

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mstephens88 said:
sorry Dickfore but that doesn't make n e sense to me?
In post #8, Dickfore multiplied both sides of the equation by the reciprocal of what was multiplying [(dP/dx)/(2k)]^(1/n).

mstephens88 said:
What does tex n frac mean?
He is using LaTeX commands to format the equation.
mstephens88 said:
No the dp = drop in pressure. Does that make a lot of difference.
I'm almost certain you are wrong here. dP/dx is a derivative, which in this case means the rate of change in pressure per unit of pipe length. dP would be the differential of the pressure.

Also, it's given in this problem that n = 0.5, so 1/n = 2. Making that substitution would simplify some of the exponents and fractions in your equation.
 
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mstephens88 said:
sorry Dickfore but that doesn't make n e sense to me?

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I think it should be done simpler in this case. Replace the infinitesimal change with a finite change (\alpha\equiv n^{-1}):

Q=\left(\frac{\Delta P}{2k\Delta x}\right)^\alpha\frac{\pi R^{\alpha+3}}{\alpha+3}
\Rightarrow\Delta P=2k\Delta x\left(\frac{(\alpha+3)Q}{\pi R^{\alpha+3}}\right)^{1/\alpha}

Filling in all numerical values should give you the pressure drop.
 
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Ok yes think I've got the correct answer, i do apologise it was the derivative of pressure. thank you all for your help.
MS
 
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Sybren said:
I think it should be done simpler in this case. Replace the infinitesimal change with a finite change

Actually, there is no approxmation here, since the pressure is a linear function of the pipe length and the slope is constant.
 

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