How do I simplify this trigonometry expression?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a trigonometric expression involving tangent, specifically Tan(15°)/(1-Tan²(15°)). Participants are examining the steps presented in a solution manual and questioning the validity of those steps, particularly regarding the manipulation of coefficients and the disappearance of the denominator.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are exploring the implications of multiplying by a fraction of one (2/2) and questioning how this affects the expression. There is discussion about rewriting the expression in terms of sine and cosine, and some participants suggest using known trigonometric identities to simplify the expression further.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the steps taken in the solution manual and exploring various identities related to sine and cosine. Some guidance has been offered regarding rewriting the expression and the use of double angle formulas, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the original problem.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the use of certain identities or methods. There is uncertainty regarding the original poster's familiarity with specific trigonometric identities, which influences the direction of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Tan(15deg)/(1-Tan^2(15deg)


In my solution manual this is what they did...

2/2 * Tan(15deg)/(1-Tan^2(15deg)

= 1/2Tan(30deg)


Ok first off... I noticed they multiplyed by a fraction of one (2/2) which resulted in
2*tan(15) in the numerator... ( I did not know that you could multiply the coefficient infront by the deg in parenthesis to get tan(30)??)
Second: Where did the denominator go?
 
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Miike012 said:

Homework Statement


Tan(15deg)/(1-Tan^2(15deg)


In my solution manual this is what they did...

2/2 * Tan(15deg)/(1-Tan^2(15deg)

= 1/2Tan(30deg)


Ok first off... I noticed they multiplyed by a fraction of one (2/2) which resulted in
2*tan(15) in the numerator... ( I did not know that you could multiply the coefficient infront by the deg in parenthesis to get tan(30)??)
Second: Where did the denominator go?
Your title is misleading. From what I can see you are not simplifying a trig identity - you are simplifying a trig expression. When you prove an identity, you show that the two sides of a given equation are equal for all values of the variable. When you simplify an expression, you write it in simpler terms, possibly using identities.

And that's right, you can't just take a coefficient from outside a trig expression and move it into the angle. There was something else they did to get to that expression.

I would start with your original expression -- Tan(15deg)/(1-Tan^2(15deg) -- and rewrite it in terms of sin and cos.
 
sin(15)/cos(15)/(1-sin^2(15)/cos^2(15))
= cos(15)sin(15)/( Cos^2(15) - Sin^2(15) )
 
Still don't know why they decided to multiply the expression by 2/2...?
 
Do you know an identity for cos2(x) - sin2(x)?
 
... and another one for sin(x)cos(x)?
 
I know the one for cos2(x) - sin2(x)?
But I am unsure of the one for sin(x)cos(x) is it similar to 2sin(x)cos(x)?
 
What can you multiply sin(x)cos(x) by to write it with a 2sin(x)cos(x)?
 
2...
 
  • #10
2/2, so you don't modify the value. Then you can use the 2sin(x)cos(x) identity on (2sin(x)cos(x))/2.
 
  • #11
Ok.. So I have 2/2* cos(15)*sin(15)/cos(30)
( cos^2(15) - Sin^2(15) = cos(30) I think? )

= sin30/2*cos30...
O still don't see how the denominator disapeared?
 
  • #12
Why can't you just use the tangent of a double angle formula?
\tan 2\theta = \frac{2\tan \theta}{1 - \tan^2 \theta}

Or has the OP not learned it yet?
 
  • #13
What is sin(30)/cos(30) ?
 
  • #14
eumyang said:
Why can't you just use the tangent of a double angle formula?
\tan 2\theta = \frac{2\tan \theta}{1 - \tan^2 \theta}

Or has the OP not learned it yet?

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but maybe it's because I don't remember that one? :eek:
 
  • #15
eumyang said:
Why can't you just use the tangent of a double angle formula?
\tan 2\theta = \frac{2\tan \theta}{1 - \tan^2 \theta}

Or has the OP not learned it yet?

Would a 2 Have to be in the numerator for me to be able to use that identity though?
 
  • #16
Nevermind... I would just mult by 2/2 again then I would have Tan2Theta/2... I think?
 
  • #17
Miike012 said:
Would a 2 Have to be in the numerator for me to be able to use that identity though?
Um, yes, the 2 in the numerator is part of the formula.
 

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