How do I solve the eigenvalues equation for a 3x3 matrix?

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a 3x3 matrix, with particular emphasis on understanding the differences from the 2x2 case. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the process, seeking guidance on how to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss methods for finding eigenvalues, including the determinant approach and the use of linear combinations of basis states. There is mention of acting with a Hamiltonian and forming a homogeneous system of equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the formulation of the eigenvalue problem and the structure of the associated equations. However, there remains a lack of consensus on the understanding of the methods, with some expressing confusion and requesting further clarification.

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Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues of the following
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and the eigenvelctor which corresponds to the smallest eigenvalue


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I know how to find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a 2x2 matric but this one I'm not so sure so any help would be appreciated

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Since the hamiltonian consists of the states |0> , |1> and |2> , these will be a basis for it's non-zero eigenvalue eigenstates, because, if you acted with the hamiltonian to every other state |n>, you will get zero (assuming that |n>'s are a complete set of orthonormal states). So, try to act with this hamiltonian to a linear combination of the states |0> , |1> and |2> and then try to find the values of the coefficients of that superposition, that make this supreposition an eigenstate. This procedure will lead you to a homogeneus 3x3 system w.r.t. the coefficients, which, in order to have non-zero solutions, has to have a singular matrix (zero determinant). This condition will give you the eigenvalues and then, solvning the system for each eigenvalue, you will find the eigenstates.

If you have any problem with the above prescription, let me know so I can give you extra hints...
 
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With the 2x2 matrixies I am used to making det(A-λI)=0 to find the eigenvalues and then solving the Aγ=λγ equation to get the eigenvectors, can I not sue a similar method here?
 
cosmic dust said:
This procedure will lead you to a homogeneus 3x3 system w.r.t. the coefficients, which, in order to have non-zero solutions, has to have a singular matrix (zero determinant)

I just added this...
 
I don't massively understand, sorry! In lectures we have been told that there is a zero valued eigenvalue and I also know the corresponding eigenvalue. However I'm still unsure and don't really follow your method?
 
Start with this:
cosmic dust said:
…a linear combination of the states |0> , |1> and |2> …
Consider this linear combination:

\left| {{\psi }_{i}} \right\rangle ={{c}_{i0}}\left| 0 \right\rangle +{{c}_{i1}}\left| 1 \right\rangle +{{c}_{i2}}\left| 2 \right\rangle

cosmic dust said:
… then try to find the values of the coefficients of that superposition, that make this supreposition an eigenstate …

These superpositions will be eigenstates if:

{{H}_{I}}\left| {{\psi }_{i}} \right\rangle ={{E}_{i}}\left| {{\psi }_{i}} \right\rangle

and this requirement will lead you to (I have set Ei = \hbarωi/2):

\left[ {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i2}}\left| 0 \right\rangle +\left( {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i0}}+{{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i1}} \right)\left| 2 \right\rangle +{{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i2}}\left| 1 \right\rangle \right]={{\omega }_{i}}\left( {{c}_{i0}}\left| 0 \right\rangle +{{c}_{i1}}\left| 1 \right\rangle +{{c}_{i2}}\left| 2 \right\rangle \right)

Since |0> , |1> and |2> are linearly independent, the above relation will hold iff:

\begin{align}<br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i0}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i0}}+{{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i1}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i1}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i2}} \\ <br /> \end{align}

This is the 3x3 system that you have to solve…
 
Cheers, I'll give it a go, thanks for your help
 
I can't even solve that 3x3 system, any chance of another pointer?
 
cosmic dust said:
\begin{align}<br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i0}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i0}}+{{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i1}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i1}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i2}} \\ <br /> \end{align}

This is the 3x3 system that you have to solve…

I made a mistake... This is the system:

\begin{align}<br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i0}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i2}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i1}} \\ <br /> &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}}{{c}_{i0}}+{{\Omega }_{1}}{{c}_{i1}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{c}_{i2}} \\ <br /> \end{align}

Now, setting:

A=\left( \begin{matrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; {{\Omega }_{0}} \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; {{\Omega }_{1}} \\<br /> {{\Omega }_{0}} &amp; {{\Omega }_{1}} &amp; 0 \\<br /> \end{matrix} \right) and {{X}_{i}}=\left( \begin{matrix}<br /> {{c}_{i0}} \\<br /> {{c}_{i1}} \\<br /> {{c}_{i2}} \\<br /> \end{matrix} \right)

the system can be written in the matrix form:

A{{X}_{i}}={{\omega }_{i}}{{X}_{i}}

This is an eigenvalues equation. Can you solve it?
 

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