How do I use the chain rule to derive certain functions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically in deriving functions. Participants share their attempts at deriving various functions and express confusion regarding different methods of applying the chain rule as taught by their instructor versus the textbook. The scope includes both theoretical understanding and practical application of differentiation techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the differing methods of applying the chain rule between their teacher and the textbook.
  • For the function f(x) = sincos(5x), a participant derives f'(x) = -5cos(cos(5x))sin(5x) but is unsure of its correctness.
  • Another participant encourages attempting the second function, f(x) = sin^4(2x) + cos^4(2x), leading to a derived expression that includes terms with sin and cos raised to various powers.
  • There is a claim that the derivative of f(x) = sin^4(2x) + cos^4(2x) should be derived by applying the chain rule to each part separately and then combining the results.
  • Participants discuss the function f(x) = [((3x^2 - 2)^5) - 1]^5, with one participant incorrectly simplifying the expression, leading to a challenge from another participant regarding the validity of that simplification.
  • Further functions are introduced, including f(x) = |x^1/3| and f(x) = x^2 cos^2(x^2), with participants attempting to derive their derivatives using the product rule and expressing uncertainty about their results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the correctness of their derivatives, and there are multiple competing views on how to apply the chain rule correctly. Uncertainty remains regarding the proper simplification of derived expressions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the application of the chain rule and the order of operations in differentiation. There are unresolved issues regarding the simplification of derived expressions and the application of the product rule in certain cases.

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id like some help deriving certain functions using the chain rule
the way our teacher does it is different from what the textbook says
he derives the outermost functions before getting to the innermost functions, this is where
i get confused =(


for example

f(x) = sincos(5x)
i get
f'(x) = (coscos(5x)) (-sin(5x)) (5)
= -5coscos(5x)sin(5x)

im not sure if this is right

another question:

f(x) = sin^4(2x) + cos^4(2x)
 
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The first looks correct... why not have a stab at the second?
 
here is what i get

f(x) = sin^4(2x) + cos^4(2x)

f'(x) = [ (4sin^3(2x) (cos^4(2x)) (2) ] + [ (4cos^3(2x) (-sin(2x)) (2) ]

= 8sin^3(2x)cos^4(2x) + -8cos^3(2x)sin(2x)


another question - this one i get a different answer than my friend

f(x) = [ ((3x^2 -2)^5) - 1 ] ^5

i get

f(x) = (3x^10 - 2^5 - 1)^5
= 3x^50 - 2^25 - 1^5

f'(x) = 150x^49

here is what I am working on right now - ill post what i get in a few mins

f(x) = |x^1/3|
f(x) = x^2 cos^2(x^2)
f(x) = [ (2x+5)/(7x-9) ]^2/3
 
For the first one in your post you're not applying the chain rule correctly.

d/dx sin(2x)^4 = 4 * sin(2x) ^3 * d/dx (sin2x)

For your second one

(3x^10 - 2^5 - 1)^5 is certainly NOT the same as 3x^50 - 2^25 - 1^5
 
for f(x) = sin^4(2x) + cos^4(2x), i am doing it right I am just deriving it wrong? i should derive each part then add together..if so would the answer be8sin^3(2x)cos(2x) - 8cos^3(2x)sin(2x)

for f(x) = [ ((3x^2 -2)^5) - 1 ] ^5
i get

f'(x) = (150x)(3x^2 - 2)^24another one I am sketched on
f(x) = x^2 cos^2(x^2)

using product rule i get

f'(x) = (2x) (cos^2(2x)) + (x^2) (2cos(x^2)(sin(x^2))(2x)
=2xcos^x(x^2) + 4x^3cos(x^2)sin(x^2)
 

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