How Do Solutes in Polar Solutions Retain Original Properties After Ionization?

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The discussion centers around the properties of solutes in polar solutions, specifically focusing on how these solutes retain their original characteristics after ionization. The scope includes conceptual clarifications about solutions, mixtures, and the behavior of ions in polar solvents.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in polar-in-polar solutions, solutes become ions surrounded by solvent molecules, suggesting that solutions are mixtures where constituents retain their properties.
  • Others argue against the idea that constituents retain their properties in solutions, stating that solutions involve intimate mixing at the molecular level, which alters the properties of the individual components.
  • A participant elaborates on the definition of "mixture," explaining that a physical mixture retains properties only within distinct phases, while solutions do not retain the properties of individual components due to molecular interaction.
  • There is a suggestion that while some properties may be retained (e.g., chemical reactivity), a solution does not preserve all original properties of the solute.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on whether the original properties of a solute, such as NaCl in water, are retained after dissolution.

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Participants express disagreement regarding whether solutes retain their properties after ionization in solutions. Multiple competing views are presented, with no consensus reached on the definitions and implications of mixtures versus solutions.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of terminology related to mixtures and solutions, as well as the conditions under which properties may or may not be retained. There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of chemical changes during dissolution.

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Okay...In most of the solutions(I am talking about polar-in-polar solutions) , the solute becomes ions and these ions are surrounded by solvent molecules...A solution is a type of mixture, so its constituents retain their own properties...My question is that how, after the dissolution of solute into ions, can it retain its original properties?...
 
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Kaneki123 said:
A solution is a type of mixture

In a very broad sense. But in general - no.

so its constituents retain their own properties.

They don't.
 
The word "mixture" is used in different ways, which may be confusing. A physical mixture of two substances comprises two distinct phases, however finely divided and intimately dispersed they may be. (Phase: “A state of matter that is uniform throughout, not only in chemical composition, but also in physical state”). At the molecular level, the substances are not mixed; A molecules are surrounded by A molecules, and B molecules by B molecules (except for the interfaces, which comprise a tiny fraction of all the molecules). This is the only kind of mixture where the constituents retain their own properties. (Within their own phases, that is; a fine mixture of two substances may in bulk have an average property such as density.)

In a solution the substances are mixed intimately at the molecular level; A molecules are surrounded by both A and B molecules, and likewise for B molecules. A solution comprises a single phase. Its physical properties (e.g. density) are those of the solution; the properties of the individual components are not retained (there is no portion of the solution, however small, that has the density of pure A). However, to confuse things, we sometimes use the word "mixture" about a solution. We might talk, for example, of a 1% solution of ethanol in water, but if we mixed them in a 50:50 ratio we might refer to it as a "mixture" of ethanol and water (perhaps from the irrelevant difficulty of deciding which was the "solvent" and which the "solute"). And we describe two substances as "miscible" if they form a solution (i.e. they are miscible at the molecular level), and "immiscible" if they phase-separate and form a physical mixture. In particular, we are likely to refer to a "solution" of gases as a mixture.

In addition, forming a solution may involve chemical change, such as ionisation. In this case we usually call it a solution; we generally keep the word "mixture" for solutions where the components are not chemically changed.

Note that in a solution some of the constituent properties may be retained; e.g. A may be chemically reactive towards C both in the pure state and in solution, or it may absorb light at a given frequency both pure and in solution. But only in a physical mixture does it retain all its properties. And when we talk about a mixture in that way, I think it is usually to distinguish a physical mixture from a compound (e.g. a mixture of iron and sulfur from iron sulfide), not from a solution, which is neither a mixture nor a compound in that sense.
 
Kaneki123 said:
Okay...In most of the solutions(I am talking about polar-in-polar solutions) , the solute becomes ions and these ions are surrounded by solvent molecules...A solution is a type of mixture, so its constituents retain their own properties...My question is that how, after the dissolution of solute into ions, can it retain its original properties?...
So are you asking, for an example, how NaCl dissolved in water would retain its properties from when it was in solid form?
 

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