How do we conclude to the last relation?

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific relation in the context of hyperbolic equations and their characteristic systems. Participants are examining how a constant value of a variable relates to a function of another variable, with a focus on the implications of certain mathematical expressions and definitions.

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  • One participant presents the relation $\displaystyle{v=u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2}$ and discusses the condition under which $v$ is constant, specifically when $\displaystyle{\frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{ab}}$.
  • Another participant questions whether the constant $C'$ can be equated to $\displaystyle{\frac{f(x-\sqrt{ab}t)}{2}}$ and explores the existence of a function $f$ that satisfies this condition.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the actual problem statement and the definitions of the symbols used in the equations.
  • One participant references another thread for additional context on the example being discussed, indicating a desire for a comprehensive understanding of the topic.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the mathematical expressions involved. There is no consensus on how to conclude the relation in question, and multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of the constants and functions are present.

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Participants have not fully defined the symbols used in their equations, which may lead to ambiguity in understanding the problem. The discussion lacks a clear statement of the problem being addressed.

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Hey! :o

I am looking at an example of the characteristic system of hyperbolic equations.

One part of the example is the following:

$\displaystyle{v=\text{ constant }, v=u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2}$, when $\displaystyle{\frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{ab}}$

$\displaystyle{x=\sqrt{ab}t+c \Rightarrow c=x- \sqrt{ab}t}$

$\displaystyle{v}$ is constant when $\displaystyle{x-\sqrt{ab}t}$ is constant.

That means that $$u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2=\frac{f(x-\sqrt{ab}t)}{2}$$Could you explain me how we conclude to the last relation?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
One part of the example is the following:

$\displaystyle{v=\text{ constant }, v=u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2}$, when $\displaystyle{\frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{ab}}$

$\displaystyle{x=\sqrt{ab}t+c \Rightarrow c=x- \sqrt{ab}t}$

$\displaystyle{v}$ is constant when $\displaystyle{x-\sqrt{ab}t}$ is constant.

That means that $$u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2=\frac{f(x-\sqrt{ab}t)}{2}$$

At the beginning we had set $\displaystyle{v=u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2}$ , then we got (by replacing in an other equation):
$$v_t +\sqrt{ab}v_x =0$$

Then we know that $v$ is constant when $\displaystyle{\frac{dx}{dt} =\sqrt{ab}}$ , that means when $\displaystyle{c=x−\sqrt{ab} t }$, so when $\displaystyle{x-\sqrt{ab}t}$ is constant.

$$v: \text{ constant } \Rightarrow v=C ′ \Rightarrow u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2=C ′$$

So do we consider that this $C ′$ is equal to $\displaystyle{\frac{f(x-\sqrt{ab}t)}{2}}$ ??

Do we suppose that there is a function $f$ such that at the point $(x-\sqrt{ab}t)$ it's equal to $2C ′ $ ??

Or is there an other way how we conclude that $\displaystyle{u_1+\sqrt{\frac{a}{b}}u_2=\frac{f(x-\sqrt{ab}t)}{2}}$?? (Wondering)
 
Since no one has answered yet... can I ask for clarification? (Blush)

What is the actual problem statement?

And how are all these symbols defined? (Wasntme)
 
I like Serena said:
Since no one has answered yet... can I ask for clarification? (Blush)

What is the actual problem statement?

And how are all these symbols defined? (Wasntme)

I have posted the whole example at the thread http://mathhelpboards.com/differential-equations-17/need-explanation-hyperbolic-system-equations-10732.html

(post #5)

(Cool)
 

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