How Do We Know The Age Of The Universe For Sure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods and evidence used to estimate the age of the universe, focusing on cosmological measurements and the implications of dark matter. Participants explore the reliability of these estimates and the potential for new findings from ongoing research.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that cosmologists estimate the universe to be between 10-15 billion years old, primarily based on observations of distant light.
  • Others argue that the best evidence suggests the observable universe is about 14 billion years old, derived from observational data and physical processes.
  • A participant mentions a probe that measured microwave radiation, claiming it dated the universe accurately but encountered unexplained results that have not been released.
  • Another participant identifies the probe as the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), which measured the universe's age to be 13.7±0.2 billion years, but notes delays in subsequent results have led to speculation.
  • Some express that the delay in WMAP's second-year results is due to challenges with polarization data, with rumors about various potential issues affecting the findings.
  • A participant speculates that the second-year results may align closely with the concordance model but could also introduce further confusion regarding previous non-concordant findings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of uncertainties in the age estimation of the universe and the implications of new data, but multiple competing views and speculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the understanding of dark matter and the dependence on observational data, as well as unresolved issues surrounding the WMAP results.

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[SOLVED] How Do We Know The Age Of The Universe For Sure?

Cosomologists estimate the universe 10-15 billion years but this is only by dating where the farthest reaches off light go. We only know 10% of our universe, the other 90% is dark matter. So how do we know that out univere isn't much older??
 
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We don't. But, the best evidence available suggests the observable universe is about 14 billion years old. This estimate was derived by reverse engineering observational evidence and applying our knowledge of physical processes.
 
I read in the paper that there was a probe sent into space measuring microwave radiation and it dated the universe rather accurately and then bumped into some odd results about 2 years ago that have never been released. There were patterns in the radiation or something. Does anyone have a link on this story?

I have forgotten the details, but some of you must know about it if the story is true.
 
jackle said:
I read in the paper that there was a probe sent into space measuring microwave radiation and it dated the universe rather accurately and then bumped into some odd results about 2 years ago that have never been released. There were patterns in the radiation or something. Does anyone have a link on this story?
I have forgotten the details, but some of you must know about it if the story is true.
This is the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe.

Together with observations of distant Type Ia supernovae WMAP measured the age of the universe to be 13.7±0.2 Gyr.

The first years results were published on time but the next year's results have been delayed over two years and that has led to much speculation. Watch this space!

Garth
 
My understanding is the main reason for the the delay in WMAP year 2 is in trying to sort out the polarization data. Rumor has it, it should hit the street almost any day now. Should be pretty exciting.
 
Chronos said:
My understanding is the main reason for the the delay in WMAP year 2 is in trying to sort out the polarization data. Rumor has it, it should hit the street almost any day now. Should be pretty exciting.
"Rumour" has it that it could be any of the following:
Systematics in polarization maps
Axis of evil detected at 12 sigmas
Wiggles in the TT spectrum
Non Gaussianities
Message from the Creator found (see http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0510102 !)
The doppler peaks are not there anymore, what we do now ?
or anything else!

Taken from CosmoCoffee poll.

Garth
 
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Indeed, these are exciting times. Apparently I'm mongering from some of the same rumor mills as the folks at CC. I have a hunch that WMAP 2 will be 90-95% consistent with the concordance model. And the other 5-10% will further confuse the swirl of controversy that fell out of the non-concordant stuff from WMAP 1. Science is great fun.
 
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