How do you build a self-submersible boat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of building a self-submersible boat using a plastic bottle without electronics. Participants explore various mechanisms that could allow the boat to submerge and resurface autonomously, focusing on buoyancy and weight management.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a plastic bottle that increases its volume to resurface, proposing the idea of dropping weights and opening flaps on the sides.
  • Another participant recalls baking soda-powered toy submarines as a potential model for the design.
  • A different approach is introduced, involving an internal water ballast tank that could expel water through a small bleed-hole, suggesting that total vessel density is key to buoyancy.
  • There is mention of using a dissolving block of salt to manage buoyancy, although it is noted that this method would not allow for repeated sinking and surfacing like the CO2 bubbles from baking soda.
  • One participant proposes that mixing a dry acid powder with baking soda could lead to a more rapid reaction, initiated by water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and approaches, with no consensus reached on a single method for creating a self-submersible boat. Multiple competing views and mechanisms are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss different methods of achieving buoyancy changes, but there are unresolved details regarding the effectiveness and practicality of each proposed mechanism.

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So I've been thinking for a long time now about making a self-submersible boat out of a plastic bottle without electronics. It should resurface by itself after a few minutes. I was thinking that it might increase its volume. By slowly dropping weights down the bottle and opening flaps on the sides of the bottle. But weights could also slowly escape from the bottle. Anyway, I'm looking for ideas and thank you in advance to anyone who pays attention to me.
 
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Monom said:
So I've been thinking for a long time now about making a self-submersible boat out of a plastic bottle without electronics. It should resurface by itself after a few minutes. I was thinking that it might increase its volume. By slowly dropping weights down the bottle and opening flaps on the sides of the bottle. But weights could also slowly escape from the bottle. Anyway, I'm looking for ideas and thank you in advance to anyone who pays attention to me.
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Do you mean like these baking soda powered toy submarines?

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https://www.teachersource.com/product/diving-submarine
 

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berkeman said:
Do you mean like these baking soda powered toy submarines?
Wow! I had forgotten about those. They were great toys.
 
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Monom said:
But weights could also slowly escape from the bottle.
Buoyancy all comes down to total vessel density. You might include an internal water ballast tank, with sufficient internal air pressure that it will drive the water out through a small bleed-hole, as used for drip irrigation.
A pack, or a block of salt, will dissolve in the water over time, until the vessel floats. But that will not repeatedly sink and surface, like the CO2 bubble produced by baking soda.
 
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berkeman said:
Willkommen bei PF. :smile:

Meinst du wie diese mit Backpulver betriebenen Spielzeug-U-Boote?

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Ich habe schon über Backpulver nachgedacht, aber es kam mir nicht in den Sinn, es auf diese Weise zu verwenden. Vielen Dank!

[Translation via Google Translate by a Mentor]
I've thought about baking soda, but it never occurred to me to use it that way. Thanks very much!
 
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