How Do You Calculate Degrees of Freedom in Diatomic Gases Like Oxygen?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the degrees of freedom for diatomic gases, specifically oxygen (O2). Participants explore the theoretical basis for the degrees of freedom associated with different types of gases, including monoatomic and polyatomic gases.

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  • Participants discuss the empirical definitions of degrees of freedom for monoatomic and diatomic gases, questioning the underlying reasons for these values. Some reference the Equipartition theorem and the relationship between energy forms and degrees of freedom. Others explore the implications of molecular movement and orientation in three-dimensional space.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing various perspectives on the calculation of degrees of freedom. Some have offered insights into the reasoning behind the values, while others express a need for deeper explanations and clarification of concepts.

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There is mention of assumptions regarding the fixed distance between atoms in diatomic molecules, which could affect the degrees of freedom. Participants are also navigating the complexities of quantum effects on molecular rotation and orientation.

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How do i figure out the degrees of freedom of a certain object/gas

for example oxygen gas

i know it's 02

two oxygen molecules

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the degrees of freedom is supposibly 5

but how do you figure that out?

thanks
 
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monoatomic gases have 3 degs of freedoms, diatomic (or, in general all that lie on a common line) 5 and three and polyatomic (if they do not lie on a common line like CO2 for example) 6.
 
Dickfore said:
monoatomic gases have 3 degs of freedoms, diatomic (or, in general all that lie on a common line) 5 and three and polyatomic (if they do not lie on a common line like CO2 for example) 6.

Yeah no, Not the answer i was looking for,

your answer, explains it empirically, you can't actually tell me why it is 3,5 ect...

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I've been reading about the Equipartition theorem, and it has to do with each form of energy a particle, or molecule can have, and the degrees of freedom is the sum of all the different forms of energy it can posses.

thanks for trying, but I'm needing a better explanation.
 
Monatomic can move in three dimensions, but any rotation doesn't really change how it looks (some quantum effect, I've heard). Hence 3 degrees of freedom.
Diatomic, like your oxygen molecule, can move in three dimensions and spin in two. Now why not three? Really, same explanation as before - the last axis spins the molecule, but you couldn't tell the difference anyway, so some quantum effect says it's not really a dergree of freedom. Hence 3 moving and 2 spinning = 5 degrees of freedom.
 
One way to look at degrees of freedom is to ask yourself: if I have a particle of the system (an atom, a molecule, anything), how many numbers do I have to give to specify its position / orientation (what we call the configuration)?

So for instance, for a gas of monoatomic particles, you need 3 numbers to specify the position (x, y and z) and it doesn't have any discernible orientation, so its total degrees of freedom is 3.

For a gas of diatomic particles, for each particle you need again 3 numbers to specify its position (this is usually always so), but this time you can orient it in space, and you need two angles to do this (one angle wouldn't be enough, since the orientation is in 3D). So it has 3+2 = 5 degrees of freedom.

Note that the previous example assumes that the distance between the atoms of the diatomic particle is fixed. If it's not, then we'd have an extra degree of freedom: the distance between them.
 
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