How Do You Calculate Entropy Change in a Reversible Cyclic Process?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in entropy for an ideal gas undergoing a reversible cyclic process, which includes isothermal expansion, adiabatic compression, and cooling at constant volume. Participants are exploring the entropy changes associated with each segment of the cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the entropy change for each process, noting specific formulas for isothermal and adiabatic processes. There is uncertainty about the entropy change during the cooling phase and how to relate it to the previous calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the correctness of the initial calculations for the isothermal and adiabatic processes. There is ongoing exploration regarding the relationship between the entropy changes in the different phases, particularly concerning the cooling phase.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which requires them to show that there is no net change in entropy over the complete cyclic process. The discussion includes references to specific thermodynamic relationships and assumptions related to ideal gases.

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An ideal gas undergoes a reversible, cycli process. First it expands isothermally from state A to state B. It is then compressed adiabatically to state C. Finally, it is cooled at constant volume to its original state, A.

I have to calculate the change in entropy of the gas in each one of the three processes and show that there is no net change in the cyclic process.

O.K. From A to B Delta S is nRln(V2/V1) since the process from A to B is isothermal. Delta S is 0 from B to C since that process occurs adiabatically.
But I am having trouble with the Delta S for the process from C to A. So far I have Delta S is Cv ln(T1/T2) But I'm having trouble converting this to something similar to the Delta S for A to B

Could someone please tell me if I'm on the right track with this problem, and possibly give me a hint
 
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Knight said:
An ideal gas undergoes a reversible, cycli process. First it expands isothermally from state A to state B. It is then compressed adiabatically to state C. Finally, it is cooled at constant volume to its original state, A.

I have to calculate the change in entropy of the gas in each one of the three processes and show that there is no net change in the cyclic process.

O.K. From A to B Delta S is nRln(V2/V1) since the process from A to B is isothermal. Delta S is 0 from B to C since that process occurs adiabatically.
But I am having trouble with the Delta S for the process from C to A. So far I have Delta S is Cv ln(T1/T2) But I'm having trouble converting this to something similar to the Delta S for A to B

Could someone please tell me if I'm on the right track with this problem, and possibly give me a hint
You are right on the first two parts:

\Delta S_{CA} = \int_C^A ds = \int_C^A dQ/T

Since: dQ = dU + PdV and dV = 0, dQ = dU = nC_vdT

\Delta S_{CA} = \int_C^A nC_v\frac{dT}{T} = nC_v\ln\frac{T_A}{T_C}

So the total change in entropy is:

\Delta S_{AA} = nR\ln\frac{V_B}{V_A} + nC_v\ln\frac{T_A}{T_C}

So the question is whether:

nR\ln\frac{V_B}{V_A} = nC_v\ln\frac{T_C}{T_A}

AM
 
I solved it.

Thanks :smile:
 
Knight said:
I solved it.

Thanks :smile:
I trust that you used the fact that the adiabatic condition applies to the compression phase. So for the B-C phase:

\left(\frac{V_C}{V_B}\right)^{1-\gamma} = \frac{T_C}{T_B}
AM
 
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