How do you calculate limits in two variables?

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The discussion revolves around calculating limits in two variables as participants explore various limit expressions approaching the point (0, 0). The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to limits in multivariable calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the limit of \(x^2+y^2+3\) as \((x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)\) is 3 due to continuity.
  • Another participant challenges the claim regarding the limit of \(\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}\), stating that it should be 0 instead of 2, as they assert \(0/2 = 0\).
  • There is a suggestion that the limit of \(\frac{e^xy}{x+1}\) as \((x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)\) is 0, based on continuity except at \((-1, y)\).
  • One participant proposes using polar coordinates to analyze the limit \(\frac{(x-y)^2}{x^2+y^2}\), concluding that the limit does not exist due to varying values depending on the angle of approach.
  • Several participants discuss how to reformulate the first three limits, with one suggesting a step-by-step approach to clarify the reasoning.
  • There is a recommendation to check the behavior of the limit for the fourth expression by approaching along different lines, such as \(y=0\) and \(x=0\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the limits of certain expressions, particularly the second limit, where one participant disagrees with another's calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the limits of the fourth and fifth expressions, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some limits are stated to be continuous, but the implications of continuity are not fully explored. The discussion includes various approaches to evaluating limits, but assumptions about the paths taken to approach (0, 0) are not explicitly stated.

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Hey! :o

I have to calculate the following limits, if they exists.
  1. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)$$
  2. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$$
  3. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}$$
  4. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{\cos x-1-x^2/2}{x^4+y^4}$$
  5. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{(x-y)^2}{x^2+y^2}$$

I have done the following:

  1. $x^2+y^2+3$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)=0^2+0^2+3=3$
  2. $\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}=\frac{0 \cdot 0}{0^2+0^2+2}=2$
  3. $\frac{e^xy}{x+1}$ is continuous for $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 \setminus \{(-1, y)\}$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}=\frac{e^0 0}{0+1}=0$

Is ths correct?? (Wondering) Could I improve something at the formulation?? (Wondering)

What could we do at the limits $4-5$ ?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I have to calculate the following limits, if they exists.
  1. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)$$
  2. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$$
  3. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}$$
  4. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{\cos x-1-x^2/2}{x^4+y^4}$$
  5. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{(x-y)^2}{x^2+y^2}$$

I have done the following:

  1. $x^2+y^2+3$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)=0^2+0^2+3=3$
  2. $\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}=\frac{0 \cdot 0}{0^2+0^2+2}=2$
  3. $\frac{e^xy}{x+1}$ is continuous for $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 \setminus \{(-1, y)\}$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}=\frac{e^0 0}{0+1}=0$

Is ths correct?? (Wondering) Could I improve something at the formulation?? (Wondering)

What could we do at the limits $4-5$ ?? (Wondering)

For 2. last time I checked, 0/2 = 0, not 2...
 
mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I have to calculate the following limits, if they exists.
  1. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)$$
  2. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$$
  3. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}$$
  4. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{\cos x-1-x^2/2}{x^4+y^4}$$
  5. $$\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{(x-y)^2}{x^2+y^2}$$

I have done the following:

  1. $x^2+y^2+3$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} (x^2+y^2+3)=0^2+0^2+3=3$
  2. $\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}$ is continuous for each $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2}=\frac{0 \cdot 0}{0^2+0^2+2}=2$
  3. $\frac{e^xy}{x+1}$ is continuous for $(x, y) \in \mathbb{R}^2 \setminus \{(-1, y)\}$, so we have that $\lim_{(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)} \frac{e^xy}{x+1}=\frac{e^0 0}{0+1}=0$

Is ths correct?? (Wondering) Could I improve something at the formulation?? (Wondering)

What could we do at the limits $4-5$ ?? (Wondering)

5. is just screaming to be converted to polars...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{(x,y) \to (0,0)} \frac{(x-y)^2}{x^2+y^2} &= \lim_{r\to 0}\frac{\left[r\cos{(\theta )} - r\sin{(\theta )} \right] ^2}{r^2} \\ &= \lim_{r \to 0} \frac{r^2 \left[ \cos{(\theta )} - \sin{(\theta )} \right] ^2}{r^2} \\ &= \lim_{r \to 0} \left[ \cos{(\theta )} - \sin{(\theta )} \right] ^2 \\ &= \left[ \cos{(\theta )} - \sin{(\theta )} \right] ^2 \end{align*}$

Since this value changes according to the angle approached on, that means different paths yield different values, and thus the limit does not exist.
 
For the first three one could we formulate it as followed?? (Wondering)

  1. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $x^2+y^2+3 \rightarrow 0^2+0^2+3=3$
  2. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2} \rightarrow \frac{0 \cdot 0}{0^2+0^2+2}=0$
  3. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $\frac{e^xy}{x+1} \rightarrow \frac{e^0 \cdot 0}{0+1}=0$

What could we do at the limit $4.$ to check if it exists?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
For the first three one could we formulate it as followed?? (Wondering)

  1. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $x^2+y^2+3 \rightarrow 0^2+0^2+3=3$
  2. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $\frac{xy}{x^2+y^2+2} \rightarrow \frac{0 \cdot 0}{0^2+0^2+2}=0$
  3. $(x, y) \rightarrow (0, 0)$
    $x \rightarrow 0$ and $y \rightarrow 0$
    So, $\frac{e^xy}{x+1} \rightarrow \frac{e^0 \cdot 0}{0+1}=0$

What could we do at the limit $4.$ to check if it exists?? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Mmm)

What you had in the OP seemed fine to me.
This also looks fine. (Nod)

For 4 and 5, I'd check what happens if you approach the origin along different lines, say $y=0$ and $x=0$. (Thinking)
 
Ok... Thanks a lot! (Mmm)
 

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