How Do You Calculate Noninteger Fractional Exponents?

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The discussion revolves around calculating noninteger fractional exponents, specifically in the context of the function f(x) = x^{\frac{a}{b}}. Participants explore methods for expressing this function symbolically and discuss the implications of solving for f(x) using various mathematical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if there is an equation or series expansion to solve for f(x) = x^{\frac{a}{b}} where {\frac{a}{b}} is noninteger.
  • Another participant clarifies that f(x) is a formula and not an equation to solve unless set equal to a value, such as x^{a/b} = 7.
  • A different participant suggests using logarithms and exponentials to express x^{a/b} in terms of e and natural logarithms.
  • Some participants discuss the need to express f(x) symbolically using basic operations and potentially other functions, rather than solving for it in a traditional sense.
  • There is mention of power series, including Taylor and Maclaurin series, as methods to represent functions like e^x, which involve only addition and multiplication.
  • One participant notes that calculators likely use techniques similar to power series along with lookup tables for function calculations, mentioning the acronym CORDIC.
  • Another participant provides a series expansion for x^{a/b} using a Taylor-like series around x=1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what it means to "solve" for f(x), with some emphasizing that it is a definition rather than a solvable equation. There is no consensus on a single method or approach to represent the function symbolically.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of functions and series expansions, and there are unresolved details regarding the specific techniques calculators use for computation.

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I have a function f(x) such that

[tex]f(x) = x^{\frac{a}{b}}[/tex]

where [tex]{\frac{a}{b}}[/tex] is noninteger. Is there an equation to solve this? A series expansion or something? I've looked around and couldn't find anything.
 
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Solve for what? You don't really have an equation that you can solve for anything. The equation just provides a formula for f(x).

Now if you had an equation such as [tex]x^{a/b} = 7[/tex], then you could solve for x by taking the b/a power of both sides.
 
The classical method to do this involves logarithms and exponentials:

[tex]x^{a/b} = \exp((a/b)\ln(x))[/tex]
 
Mark44 said:
Solve for what? You don't really have an equation that you can solve for anything. The equation just provides a formula for f(x).

Now if you had an equation such as [tex]x^{a/b} = 7[/tex], then you could solve for x by taking the b/a power of both sides.

To clarify a bit, I'm trying to solve for [tex]f(x)[/tex]. By solve, I mean express the solution symbolically and in such a way that the only operations are addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. In reality, I might consider the use of factorials, sinusoidal functions, special functions, operator functions, etc. to be acceptable. In other words, the question is: how does the calculator solve it? Thanks to g_edgar for answering this question.
 
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dimensionless said:
To clarify a bit, I'm trying to solve for [tex]f(x)[/tex]. By solve, I mean express the solution symbolically and in such a way that the only operations are addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
That's not "solving" for f(x). As I already said, the equation for f(x) is merely a definition of its formula. What you want to do is write the formula in a different form.
dimensionless said:
In reality, I might consider the use of factorials, sinusoidal functions, special functions, operator functions, etc. to be acceptable. In other words, the question is: how does the calculator solve it? Thanks to g_edgar for answering this question.
Edit: Fixed typo: e2 --> ex
What you're asking about is answered in the part of calculus that deals with power series, such as Taylor and Maclaurin series, and Fourier series, to name a few. A function such as ex has a Maclaurin series 1 + x + x2/2! + x3/3! + ... + xn/n! + ... As you can see, the series representation consists only of addition and multiplication (plus factorials).

As I understand things, calculators use a technique similar to this but not exactly the same, combined with lookup tables, to calculate the various functions that are on a scientific calculator. It's been a long time since I thought about it, but the acronym CORDIC fits in here somehow.
 
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Mark44 said:
That's not "solving" for f(x). As I already said, the equation for f(x) is merely a definition of its formula. What you want to do is write the formula in a different form.

What you're asking about is answered in the part of calculus that deals with power series, such as Taylor and Maclaurin series, and Fourier series, to name a few. A function such as e2
Typo: Mark44 meant ex here

has a Maclaurin series 1 + x + x2/2! + x3/3! + ... + xn/n! + ... As you can see, the series representation consists only of addition and multiplication (plus factorials).

As I understand things, calculators use a technique similar to this but not exactly the same, combined with lookup tables, to calculate the various functions that are on a scientific calculator. It's been a long time since I thought about it, but the acronym CORDIC fits in here somehow.
 
Thanks. ex is what I meant. I fixed it in my post.
 
xa/b=(1+x-1)a/b=1+(a/b)(x-1)+(a/b)(a/b-1)/2!(x-1)2
+(a/b)(a/b-1)(a/b-2)/3!(x-1)3...
(Sorry, can't do better latex..any good guides?)
 

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