How Do You Calculate Observed Angular Velocity from a Reference Frame?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the observed angular velocity (\omega_0) from a reference frame using the formula \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t. The change in angle (\Delta \varphi_0) is determined by the arctangent function of the object's coordinates, while the time difference (\Delta t) accounts for light propagation delays. The alternative formula for angular velocity, \omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|}, is also mentioned as a potential method for solving the problem. The key takeaway is that a geometric approach may simplify the calculation of angular velocity.

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  • Understanding of angular velocity and its mathematical representation.
  • Familiarity with polar coordinates and the arctangent function.
  • Basic knowledge of geometry related to angles and triangles.
  • Concept of light propagation time in physics.
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  • Study the derivation of angular velocity formulas, particularly \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t.
  • Learn about the Taylor series expansion for the arctangent function.
  • Explore geometric interpretations of angular velocity in physics.
  • Investigate the relationship between linear velocity and angular velocity using the formula \omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|}.
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Homework Statement


Determine the observed angular velocity from the origin of the reference frame for an object shown in the figure. The observed angular velocity is defined as the rate with which the observed direction on the object (measured in radians) changes in time.

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Hint: The observed angular velocity is the ratio \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t, where \Delta t = t_2 - t_1 and \Delta \varphi_0 = \varphi_0(t_1^*) - \varphi_0(t_2^*) is the change of the angle \varphi, the polar angle which the star position had at times t_1^* and t_2^*. These are the times when the light detected by the observer at t_1 and t_2 was emitted. The object is located at (x_1, y_1) at time t_1^* and it is located at (x_2, y_2) at time t_2^*. However, t_1 and t_2,the observation times at the origin for these two events, are different from t_1^* and t_2^* because light takes a certain time to propagate from the object to the origin of the coordinate system.

Homework Equations


\omega = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t
\omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|} (alternative formula for angluar velocity)

The Attempt at a Solution



Before I knew about the alternative formula for angular velocity, I tried solving this question like this:

t_1 = d_1/c + t_1^*, where d_1 = \sqrt{x_1^2 + y_1^2} and
t_2 = d_2/c + t_2^*, where d_2 = \sqrt{x_2^2 + y_2^2}. Also \varphi_0(t_1^*) = arctan(y_1/x_1) and \varphi_0(t_2^*) = arctan(y_2/x_2), so that \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t = \frac{arctan(y_1/x_1) - arctan(y_2/x_2)}{d_1/c + t_1^* - d_2/c - t_2^*}.

I think that this is technically correct, but my lecturer said that this isn't what he wanted. He said that we should consider the angle \Delta \varphi_0 to be very small, and that this question could be solved using some basic geometry. I'm pretty bad at geometry so I can't see what I'm supposed to do, but I think it must involve the angle \theta in the diagram and the alternative formula for angular velocity. Could anyone help?
 
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maybe expand out arctan (Taylor series) and see what happens? idk how that would make it prettier (only first approximation)
 
Well, as I say, I don't think that what I did at first is what they wanted. I think I have to use the formula given in the question, \omega_0 = \Delta \varphi_0 / \Delta t, as well as the geometry of the diagram to get a new expression for the angular velocity. The question doesn't say what kind of expression I'm supposed to get. Now that I think about, it may be that they want me to derive the other formula for angular velocity, i.e. \omega = \frac{|\vec{v}|sin(\theta)}{|\vec{r}|}, using the geometry of the diagram. I'm not quite sure how to do this though.
 

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