How Do You Calculate Roller Coaster Speeds in Physics Problems?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a roller coaster at a specific point (C) based on its height and initial conditions at the highest point (A). The problem involves concepts of energy conservation, specifically gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, within the context of a physics problem related to roller coasters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning how to account for different initial conditions (speed at the top of the hill). There is an exploration of how to set up equations for both scenarios (a) and (b).

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully calculated the speed for part (a) and are now seeking guidance on how to approach part (b). There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the setup of energy equations, with some participants offering insights into the relationship between potential and kinetic energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a diagram, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup. There is also mention of the need to consider both potential and kinetic energy in the calculations for part (b).

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Homework Statement



Figure 4 shows a partial profile of a roller-coaster ride. Friction and air resistance are negligible. Determine the speed of the coaster at position C if the speed at the top of the highest hill is (a) zero and (b) 5.00m/sFigure 4 (description)

Point A is the highest point of the rollercoaster. It is 37.8m from the ground. Point B is the lowest point of the rollercoaster. It is 12.8m from the ground. Point C is the mid point of the roller-coaster. It is 17.8m from the ground.

*There are no loops
*From A, it curves downwards to B, then upwards to C

I apologize for not having a picture of this.

Homework Equations


E = 0.5mv^2
E = mgh

(sorry, not sure)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to start this out...

E = mgh
= m x 9.8m/s^2 x 37.8m *keeping mass as a variable since mass is not given
= 370.44(mass)J

E = 0.5mv^2
370.44(mass)J = 0.5mv^2 *masses cancel out
square root of (370.44J / 0.5) = v
27.22m/s = v

The answer from the textbook: (a) 19.8m/s (b) 20.4m/s

I don't even know how to start out this problem. :confused: Help please. Thanks in advance! :smile:

EDIT:

for (a) h = 37.8m - 17.8m = 20m

Eg = mgh
= mass x 9.8m/s^2 x 20m
= 196 (mass) J

Ek = 0.5mv^2
196 (mass) J = 0.5mass x v^2 *masses cancel out
Square root: (196J/0.5) = v <- forgot to divide the gravitational potential energy by 0.5
19.8m/s = v

Got the answer for (a) but don't know how to figure out (b)...
 
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still trying to figure out (b)
 
mickeymouseho said:

Homework Statement



Figure 4 shows a partial profile of a roller-coaster ride. Friction and air resistance are negligible. Determine the speed of the coaster at position C if the speed at the top of the highest hill is (a) zero and (b) 5.00m/s


Figure 4 (description)

Point A is the highest point of the rollercoaster. It is 37.8m from the ground. Point B is the lowest point of the rollercoaster. It is 12.8m from the ground. Point C is the mid point of the roller-coaster. It is 17.8m from the ground.

*There are no loops
*From A, it curves downwards to B, then upwards to C

I apologize for not having a picture of this.


for (a) h = 37.8m - 17.8m = 20m

Eg = mgh
= mass x 9.8m/s^2 x 20m
= 196 (mass) J

Ek = 0.5mv^2
196 (mass) J = 0.5mass x v^2 *masses cancel out
Square root: (196J/0.5) = v 19.8m/s = v

Got the answer for (a) but don't know how to figure out (b)...
For part a, you set the initial energy (all potential) equal to the final energy (all kinetic). For b, the initial energy is part kinetic and part potential. Calculate it, and set it equal to the final energy to solve for v.
 
PhanthomJay said:
For part a, you set the initial energy (all potential) equal to the final energy (all kinetic). For b, the initial energy is part kinetic and part potential. Calculate it, and set it equal to the final energy to solve for v.

Ah thank you very much good sir =)

(a) Eg = Ek

(b) Eg + Ek = Ek'
 
mickeymouseho said:
Ah thank you very much good sir =)

(a) Eg = Ek

(b) Eg + Ek = Ek'

How did you solve for part B using Eg + Ek = Ek'?
 

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