How Do You Calculate the Area of a Gold Leaf and the Length of a Gold Fiber?

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The problem involves calculating the area of a gold leaf and the length of a gold fiber, given the mass and density of gold. The context is centered around the properties of gold as a ductile metal and its conversion into different forms.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between density, volume, and area, with some questioning how to effectively use the density formula. There are attempts to clarify the steps needed to find the area and length based on the given mass and density.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the relationships between area, volume, and density, while others express confusion about the setup and calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note the need for specific formulas related to the shapes involved, such as the volume of a cylinder and the area of a cube, but there is uncertainty about the exact formulas to apply.

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Homework Statement


Gold, which has a density of 19.32 g/cm^3, is the most ductile metal and can be pressed into a thin leaf or drawn out into a long fiber. (a) If a sample of gold, witha mass of 27.63g, is pressed into a leaf 1.000 µm thickness, what is the area of the leaf? (b) If, instead, the gold is drawn out into a cylindrical fiber of radius 2.500 µm, what is the length of the fiber?


Homework Equations


ρ=m/V (density)


The Attempt at a Solution


Im having trouble finding a direction to go in. I think converting to density is the way to go but I am having trouble using the density formula as well.
 
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P.O.L.A.R said:

Homework Statement


Gold, which has a density of 19.32 g/cm^3, is the most ductile metal and can be pressed into a thin leaf or drawn out into a long fiber. (a) If a sample of gold, witha mass of 27.63g, is pressed into a leaf 1.000 µm thickness, what is the area of the leaf? (b) If, instead, the gold is drawn out into a cylindrical fiber of radius 2.500 µm, what is the length of the fiber?


Homework Equations


ρ=m/V (density)


The Attempt at a Solution


Im having trouble finding a direction to go in. I think converting to density is the way to go but I am having trouble using the density formula as well.
But aren't you given the density: 19.32?
Hint: You need to know volume of a cylinder, and that other thing (cube ?) in order to solve this.

So, I guess both require two steps.
 
rootX said:
But aren't you given the density: 19.32?
Hint: You need to know volume of a cylinder, and that other thing (cube ?) in order to solve this.

So, I guess both require two steps.

Ok so my intial direction was right but the problem I am having now the area. It just doesn't make sense how I can take the density and find the area. The set-up is not making sense.
 
first find the relationship between area and volume
and then between volume and density/mass

and you will get the area
 
I got it. Thanks for the help the relationship is what I was confusing but all I had to do was divde the density by the mass to get rid of the grams and then convert the cm^3 to µm^3 and relate the area and volume as you said and then the volume with the area.

Thanks
 
How to solve this problem after finding volume using density and mass
 
dhago07 said:
How to solve this problem after finding volume using density and mass

You need to find a relationship between area and volume for the shape you are considering. For gold leaf, assume that you are using the equation for 2 faces of a cube of material and for a rod assume the area is limited to that of a rod minus the ends.
 
chemisttree said:
You need to find a relationship between area and volume for the shape you are considering. For gold leaf, assume that you are using the equation for 2 faces of a cube of material and for a rod assume the area is limited to that of a rod minus the ends.

But what kind of formula should i use for 2 face cube and also for the rod

Thanks for replaying back.
 
Using the example of the gold leaf, assume you have a collection of finite elements, each of which is a cube of the same dimension as the thickness (w= 1.000 µm) of the foil. The area of each face of the cube will be w2 and you need two of 'em. Next, you need to understand that the total volume of the gold will be N*w3 where 'N' is equal to the number of elements of dimension w X w X w.

Can you get there from here?
 

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