How Do You Calculate the Area of a Submarine Window from Its Diameter?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum safe depth for a submarine based on the pressure exerted on its window, which has a specified diameter and thickness. The problem involves concepts from fluid mechanics and pressure calculations in a saltwater environment.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure, force, and area, questioning how to calculate the area of the window from its diameter. There is also a consideration of whether atmospheric pressure should be included in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations, including clarifications on the use of atmospheric pressure and the correct formula for pressure. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the density of seawater and its implications for the calculations.

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There is mention of specific values provided in the problem, such as the density of seawater and the maximum force the window can withstand. Participants are also checking assumptions about these values and their relevance to the calculations.

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Hi i need some help with a problem: A submarine has a 40.0cm diameter window 8.50cm thick. The window can withstand forces up to 1.10x106 N. What is the submarine's maximum safe depth?

The pressure is maintained at 1.0atm and it's in salt water.

Salt water density = 1025 kg/m3.

the equation that i used was p = patmos + \rhogd
p = 1.013x105 + (1.0253)(9.8)(d)

What i did to try to find p was p = F/A. <---- If this equation to find pressure is correct, how to I calculate the area from diameter and thickness?

Thanks.
 
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zuN said:
Hi i need some help with a problem: A submarine has a 40.0cm diameter window 8.50cm thick. The window can withstand forces up to 1.10x106 N. What is the submarine's maximum safe depth?

The pressure is maintained at 1.0atm and it's in salt water.

Salt water density = 1025 kg/m3.

the equation that i used was p = patmos + \rhogd
p = 1.013x105 + (1.0253)(9.8)(d)
you can omit the first term (atmospheric pressure) because the sub inside pressure is maintained at atmospheric pressure, such that it will cancel out this piece. On your second term, you have a typo, it's 1.025(10^3)(9.8)(d), where d is the water depth in meters
What i did to try to find p was p = F/A. <---- If this equation to find pressure is correct, how to I calculate the area from diameter and thickness?
this equation is correct, you need to find the area based on the window diameter; the thickness does not enter into the equation, so you don't need it (that is, the thickness doesn't affect the force on the window, just it's strength, which is not part of the problem.
 
so if i omit the atmospheric pressure then it'll be p = 1.025(10^3)(9.8)(d) now
p = F/A = 1.10(10^6) / (pie)(0.04) = 8.75(10^6) Pa.
8.75(10^6) / 1.025(10^3)(9.8) = d
d = 871m. answer was 868.

thanks for the help Phanthom Jay
 
zuN said:
so if i omit the atmospheric pressure then it'll be p = 1.025(10^3)(9.8)(d) now
p = F/A = 1.10(10^6) / (pie)(0.04) = 8.75(10^6) Pa.
8.75(10^6) / 1.025(10^3)(9.8) = d
d = 871m. answer was 868.

thanks for the help Phanthom Jay

Your answer looks correct. Did the problem give the density of seawater as 1025 kg/m^3 or did you assume that? Using the same values as you, with the exception of g being 9.81 m/s^2 I get 870.5 m.

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Your answer looks correct. Did the problem give the density of seawater as 1025 kg/m^3 or did you assume that? Using the same values as you, with the exception of g being 9.81 m/s^2 I get 870.5 m.

CS

The professor gave me the value for seawater as 1025 kg/m^3.
 

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