How Do You Calculate the Capacitance of a Multi-Layer Spherical Capacitor?

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The problem involves calculating the capacitance of a multi-layer spherical capacitor, with specific regions defined by vacuum and different dielectric materials. The original poster describes a setup with three distinct regions and attempts to apply relevant equations to find the capacitance.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for capacitance in a spherical geometry and expresses confusion regarding the three-dimensional nature of the problem compared to two-dimensional capacitors. Some participants question the completeness of the geometry described, specifically regarding the locations of the conductors.

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Participants are actively discussing the setup of the problem, with some providing guidance on deriving the capacitance for spherical capacitors. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's calculations, and a willingness to explore these further. Multiple interpretations of the geometry and assumptions are being considered.

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The original poster notes uncertainty about the placement of conductors and the implications of using different dielectric constants in the calculation. There is an indication that the problem may not have been fully defined initially, leading to confusion in the approach.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the capacitance of a spherical capacitor such that its center and up to [tex]R_2[/tex] is vacuum.
Then from [tex]R_2[/tex] up to [tex]R_3[/tex] there's a dielectric material of constant [tex]\kappa _2[/tex]. Then from [tex]R_3[/tex] up to [tex]R_1[/tex] there's a material of constant [tex]\kappa _1[/tex].

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I've tried many things, but then I realized I was lost since it's a 3 dimensional capacitor, which differs from the 2 dimensional problem I was used to.
Q=C/V. Also, [tex]\varepsilon _1=\kappa _1 \varepsilon _0[/tex]. And it's similar for [tex]\varepsilon _2[/tex].
[tex]V=-\int_a^b \vec E d\vec l=\frac{Q}{C}[/tex].
I'm having a hard time finding [tex]-\int_a^b \vec E d\vec l[/tex].
For the interior material, [tex]V=E(R_3 -R_2)[/tex].

I made an attempt to find E : [tex]kQ\left [ \frac{1}{R_3}-\frac{1}{R_2} \right][/tex]. Where [tex]k=\frac{1}{\varepsilon _0 \kappa _2 4\pi}[/tex].
Hence [tex]C _2=\frac{4\pi \varepsilon _0 \kappa _2 R_3 R_2}{R_2-R_3}[/tex].

I realize that [tex]\frac{1}{C}=\frac{1}{C_1}+\frac{1}{C_2}[/tex] because the capacitor is equivalent to 2 capacitors in series. I'd like to know if my result for [tex]C_2[/tex], the interior capacitor is right.
 
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First you need to derive (or look up) the capacitance of a spherical capacitor. The geometry, however, is incomplete. A capacitor, in general, is two conductors in some spatial configuration. Your statement of the problem says nothing about where the conductors are. What are the radii at which you have the conductors in this particular case?
 
kuruman said:
First you need to derive (or look up) the capacitance of a spherical capacitor. The geometry, however, is incomplete. A capacitor, in general, is two conductors in some spatial configuration. Your statement of the problem says nothing about where the conductors are. What are the radii at which you have the conductors in this particular case?

You're absolutely right, sorry. The conductor plates are at R_1 and R_2.
I've looked in wikipedia, and instead of my [tex]C _2=\frac{4\pi \varepsilon _0 \kappa _2 R_3 R_2}{R_2-R_3}[/tex], I should have got a -sign in front of it... so I almost got it, I don't know where I made a mistake though and I'm willing to see where it is. Although I realize I could have made other errors.
 
So you know what to do now, right? Two capacitors in series, each with a different dielectric.
 
kuruman said:
So you know what to do now, right? Two capacitors in series, each with a different dielectric.
Yes sure.

[tex]\frac{1}{C}=\frac{1}{C_1}+\frac{1}{C_2}[/tex].
Assuming my C_2 as my result with a minus sign, I can get C_1 as easily and thus C, which is the total capacitance.
I thank you for your help. (Once again :smile:).
 

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