How Do You Calculate the Effective Potential Energy in a Hydrogen Atom?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the effective potential energy in a hydrogen atom, specifically focusing on the interaction between an electron and a proton. The problem involves understanding the electrostatic force and potential energy in a two-body system, as well as the concept of reduced mass.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the expression for effective potential energy, questioning how to incorporate the reduced mass and the potential energy associated with the proton-electron system. There is also a discussion about the necessity of using reduced mass in this context.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using the reduced mass and the need for the electrostatic potential energy to find the effective potential energy. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind these concepts, with some participants seeking clarification on the use of reduced mass.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of two-body systems in classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, with specific attention to the assumptions made regarding potential energy and angular momentum.

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An electron (of mass me and charge −e) in a hydrogen atom is located at position vector r
relative to the proton (of mass mp and charge +e) constituting the nucleus. It is attracted
to the proton by the electrostatic force
[tex]F =-\frac{e^2}{4\epsilon_0r^2}\hat{r}[/tex],
where e_0 is a constant (the ‘permittivity of the vacuum’). Find the potential energy V (r)
associated with the force F, assuming that V -> 0 as r -> infty. Find also the reduced mass
associated with the two-body system of the electron and the proton.
Find an expression for the effective potential energy V_eff associated with the radial motion
of the electron and the nucleus when the system has angular momentum L.

Im stuck on how to do the last bit .

[tex]V_{eff}=V(r)+\frac{L^2}{2mr^2}[/tex]but how do I find the combined Veff of electron and nucleus ?
Thanks ..

edit :wheter it says 872; should be a -
 
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rbnphlp said:
Im stuck on how to do the last bit .

[tex]V_{eff}=V(r)+\frac{L^2}{2mr^2}[/tex]


but how do I find the combined Veff of electron and nucleus ?
Thanks ..

edit :wheter it says 872; should be a -

Use the reduced mass for m. To find Veff you need V(r). That's the electrostatic potential energy of the proton-electron system.
 
kuruman said:
Use the reduced mass for m. To find Veff you need V(r). That's the electrostatic potential energy of the proton-electron system.

oh ok , thanks but why is that the case?
 
Why is what the case?
 
kuruman said:
Why is what the case?

oh sorry ..I meant to ask why do we consider the reduced mass for both of them ?
Edit : a quick wike gave me the answer what I was looking for .thanks for your help !
 

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