How do you calculate the force needed to lift an object?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force needed to lift an object, specifically focusing on practical scenarios such as lifting a coffee cup. It explores both theoretical and practical considerations in the calculation of force, including factors like gravity and air friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that in theory, the force needed to lift an object can be calculated using the equation F = m g, where m is mass and g is the acceleration due to gravity.
  • Others note that in practice, various effects complicate the calculation, and approximations may be necessary, or direct measurements can be taken using a force meter.
  • A participant raises a specific practical scenario of lifting a coffee cup and questions how much force is needed, emphasizing the method of lifting (e.g., under the cup or using the handle).
  • It is mentioned that the horizontal distance between the center of mass and the point of force application may affect the lifting force required.
  • One participant suggests that air drag can typically be ignored in this context unless in specific conditions like a wind tunnel.

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Participants express differing views on the factors to consider when calculating the lifting force, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method or approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of practical lifting scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in practical calculations, such as the dependence on lifting methods and the potential neglect of air resistance in everyday situations.

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How do you calculate the force needed to lift an object?
 
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Do you mean in theory, or in practice?

In theory, you just write down all the forces and calculate the nett force. In the simplest case, you only need to counter gravity, so you will need a force F = m g. If you include for example air friction, the same principle works although the calculations quickly get tedious.

In practice, there are usually many effects which are hard to completely describe, so you may make an approximation and do the theoretical calculation, or you can simply make a measurement (by lifting the object with a force meter for example, which is basically a spring with a scale).
 


CompuChip said:
Do you mean in theory, or in practice?

In theory, you just write down all the forces and calculate the nett force. In the simplest case, you only need to counter gravity, so you will need a force F = m g. If you include for example air friction, the same principle works although the calculations quickly get tedious.

In practice, there are usually many effects which are hard to completely describe, so you may make an approximation and do the theoretical calculation, or you can simply make a measurement (by lifting the object with a force meter for example, which is basically a spring with a scale).

i mean in practice. For instance i need to lift up a coffee cup from a table, how much force is needed to do it? or how much force do i need to apply on my fingers to lift the cup?
 


ashishbhagwat said:
i mean in practice. For instance i need to lift up a coffee cup from a table, how much force is needed to do it? or how much force do i need to apply on my fingers to lift the cup?
Depends on how you want to lift the cup. Do you want to put your hands under the cup, or do you use the 'ear' on the cup (if that's how you call that thing in English ;) ). If it's the latter, one would need to know the horizontal distance between the center of mass and the place on which the force is exerted.
I think air drag can safely be ignored in this case, unless you wanted to do this in a wind tunnel. :smile:
 

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