How Do You Calculate the Mass of a Moving Ball After Collision?

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The problem involves a collision between a moving ball and a stationary ball, where the moving ball's mass is to be determined after they collide and stick together, moving at a common velocity. The context is centered around momentum conservation principles in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and question how to apply the equations given the information provided. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the initial and final momentum of the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the momentum equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of the momentum conservation principle, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach to solving for the mass.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the dimensions of momentum and the correct application of the conservation equations. Participants are also addressing the implications of having one mass and multiple velocities in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A ball rolls at a velocity of 3.5m/s toward a 5.0kg ball at rest. They collide and stick and move off at 2.5 m/s. What was the mass of the moving ball?[/B]

Homework Equations


Pa + Pb = 0
M(a)V(a) = - M(b)V(b)[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


So.. The ball at rest had zero momentum... Therefore how are we supposed to find the momentum in total if we are only given 3 numbers to work w/ ... We can't determine the moving ball momentum.. Soo[/B]
 
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Mrchilko said:

Homework Statement


A ball rolls at a velocity of 3.5m/s toward a 5.0kg ball at rest. They collide and stick and move off at 2.5 m/s. What was the mass of the moving ball?[/B]

Homework Equations


Pa + Pb = 0
M(a)V(a) = - M(b)V(b)[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


So.. The ball at rest had zero momentum... Therefore how are we supposed to find the momentum in total if we are only given 3 numbers to work w/ ... We can't determine the moving ball momentum.. Soo[/B]
You are given four velocities and one mass. There's only one unknown, and you have an equation.
 
But ... If the second ball at rest has a momentum of 0kg°m/s ... Then M(a)3.5m/s (a)= 5.0kg(b)0m/s(b)

So saying (?)*(3.5m/s) + (5.0kg)*( 0 m/s) = 2.5 m/s..
 
Mrchilko said:

Homework Statement


A ball rolls at a velocity of 3.5m/s toward a 5.0kg ball at rest. They collide and stick and move off at 2.5 m/s. What was the mass of the moving ball?[/B]

Homework Equations


Pa + Pb = 0
M(a)V(a) = - M(b)V(b)[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


So.. The ball at rest had zero momentum... Therefore how are we supposed to find the momentum in total if we are only given 3 numbers to work w/ ... We can't determine the moving ball momentum.. Soo[/B]

Check the relevant equation ##P_a + P_b = 0##. Are you sure that's correct? Shouldn't it be something else:
$$P_i = P_f \implies P_{a_i} + P_{b_i} = P_{a_f} + P_{b_f}$$
The ##i## denotes "initial" and ##f## denotes "final".
 
Mrchilko said:
But ... If the second ball at rest has a momentum of 0kg°m/s ... Then M(a)3.5m/s (a)= 5.0kg(b)0m/s(b)

So saying (?)*(3.5m/s) + (5.0kg)*( 0 m/s) = 2.5 m/s..
The term on the right has the wrong dimension. You've left out a factor.
 
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Yes 2.5m/s is only the velocity and the momentum has the units of kg*m/s
 
Mrchilko said:
Yes 2.5m/s is only the velocity and the momentum has the units of kg*m/s
So correct it. What factor did you leave out?
 
Mass... So it would look like (3.5m/s)(?) + (0m/s)(5kg) = (5+?kg) + ( 2.5m/s)
 
Mrchilko said:
Mass... So it would look like (3.5m/s)(?) + (0m/s)(5kg) = (5+?kg) + ( 2.5m/s)
Kg+m/s?!
 
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Mrchilko said:
M*v
Ok, so write out the equation correctly and solve it.
 

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