How Do You Calculate the Mass of the Second Penguin?

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The problem involves calculating the mass of a second penguin in a system of four penguins being pulled on frictionless ice. Given the masses of three penguins and the tensions in the cords connecting them, the original poster seeks guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the role of tension and the setup of equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about setting up the problem and understanding the tension forces in relation to free-body diagrams. Some participants suggest drawing free-body diagrams for the entire system and for subsets of the penguins to identify unknowns. Questions arise about the direction of tension forces and the treatment of the penguins as a single particle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on drawing free-body diagrams and clarifying the treatment of the penguins as a unified system. There is an exploration of how to isolate variables and understand the forces at play, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of acceleration information and the implications this has for setting up equations. The original poster's confusion about tension forces and free-body diagrams is acknowledged, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

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Homework Statement



Four penguins are being playfully pulled along frictionless ice by a curator. The masses of three penguins and the tension in two of the cords are m1 = 12 kg, m3 = 15 kg, m4 = 20 kg, t2 = 111 N, and t4 = 222 N. Find the mass of the second penguin.

Note: t2 is the tension between the second penguin and the third penguin, and t4 is the tension between the curator and the fourth penguin.


Homework Equations



F=MA

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to set up this problem. It is useless to separate it into its components using F=MA, since the acceleration is not given nor can it be derived without the second mass. I don't really understand the tension force very well since it runs counterintuitive to my sense of a free-body diagram. Can anyone clue me in on how to start?
 
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Draw a free body diagram of the entire system: 'm2' and 'a' will be unknown variables. Then draw a free body digram of the first 2 penguins together: 'm2' and 'a' will be unknowmnvariables, and T1 won't matter in this FBD, because it is internal in this free body diagram. Solve the 2 equations for the 2 unknowns.
 
In the free body diagram, when drawing the tension force in t4, in which direction does it point? And all four penguins can be treated as a single 'particle' given that they move uniformly in the same direction, correct?
 
Angry Citizen said:
In the free body diagram, when drawing the tension force in t4, in which direction does it point? And all four penguins can be treated as a single 'particle' given that they move uniformly in the same direction, correct?
Yes, they can be treated as one large mass since they move together with the same speed ans acceleration and displacement. Tension "pulling" forces always pull away from the objects on which they act. Then you must isolate the penguins to determine the tensile forces in the rope.
 

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