Balancing Forces on a Scale: Man with Pulleys and Tensions

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The discussion revolves around a scenario involving a man standing on a scale while pulling on a rope connected to two pulleys. The problem includes considerations of forces, tensions, and the weight displayed on the scale, with specific values provided for the man's mass and tensions in the system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to validate the calculated tensions (T1, T2, T3, T4, T5) and the weight displayed on the scale (P). There are questions regarding the setup and the direction of forces acting on the man.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the weight displayed on the scale and suggest that it may not align with the expected values based on the tensions. There is a recognition that the calculations may need to be revisited, particularly concerning the relationship between the tensions and the weight of the man.

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Participants note that the weight of the pulleys, cables, and friction are not considered in the problem, which may impact the analysis. The discussion is framed within the constraints of a homework context, emphasizing the need for careful examination of assumptions and calculations.

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Homework Statement


Man standing on scale and pulling on a rope connected to two pulleys

Homework Equations


The mass of the man is: m=100 kg

The weight of the pulleys, cables, balance, and the frictions are not taken into account

g=10m x s-2

3. The Attempt at a Solution


the force that the man should draw in order to maitain balance:
T1=250 N

The weight displayed on the scale:
P= 125 kg

Other tensions:
T2=250 N
T3=500 N
T4=500 N
T5=1000 N

Do your agree with that ?
Thank you..
 

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You have not laid out the question properly ... what information is given in the question?
 
You just have to validate or not thes values (T1, P, T2, T3, T4, T5)
 
wah31 said:

Homework Statement


Man standing on scale and pulling on a rope connected to two pulleys

Homework Equations


The mass of the man is: m=100 kg

The weight of the pulleys, cables, balance, and the frictions are not taken into account

g=10m x s-2

3. The Attempt at a Solution


the force that the man should draw in order to maitain balance:
T1=250 N

The weight displayed on the scale:
P= 125 kg

Other tensions:
T2=250 N
T3=500 N
T4=500 N
T5=1000 N

Do your agree with that ?
Thank you..
I agree with all the tensions, but I do not understand how you got 125kg for the scale reading. Consider again which way the forces act on the man.
 
I'm not convinced either
I thought about it..
 
Yes I agree there is something wrong

What do we know for sure ? ...T1= T2 and T3 =T4 ... 4xT1 = 2xT4 = T5 and T5 is supporting all the mass = 100kg = 1000N ... so all the tensions are correct .

The weight indicated on the scale must be the man's weight , minus the the pull from T1 ... 1000 - 250 = 750N scale should indicate 75Kg not 125kg
 
Yes you are right :check:

Thank you.. it's cool :oldbiggrin:
 
oz93666 said:
Yes I agree there is something wrong

What do we know for sure ? ...T1= T2 and T3 =T4 ... 4xT1 = 2xT4 = T5 and T5 is supporting all the mass = 100kg = 1000N ... so all the tensions are correct .

The weight indicated on the scale must be the man's weight , minus the the pull from T1 ... 1000 - 250 = 750N scale should indicate 75Kg not 125kg
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