How Do You Calculate the Square of Eccentricity for a Rotated Ellipse?

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The discussion centers around calculating the square of the eccentricity for an ellipse represented by the equation ax^2 + 2hxy + by^2 = 1. Participants explore the implications of the equation, particularly in relation to coordinate transformations and the properties of ellipses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about finding the eccentricity, noting the need to identify the directrix and foci of the ellipse.
  • Another suggests performing a shift of coordinates before addressing the eccentricity.
  • A participant questions the method of shifting coordinates, proposing that it should involve rotating the coordinates instead.
  • It is proposed to use the transformations x = xcos(t) - ysin(t) and y = xsin(t) + ycos(t) to eliminate the xy term and find the angle of rotation.
  • Participants discuss using the relationship between the semi-major and semi-minor axes to determine the eccentricity after obtaining the general equation of the ellipse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to transform the coordinates to eliminate the xy term, but there is some disagreement on the terminology used (shift vs. rotate) and the specific methods to apply.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve how to explicitly find the directrix or the foci, nor does it clarify the exact steps needed to calculate the eccentricity from the transformed equation.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in coordinate geometry, conic sections, and the properties of ellipses may find this discussion relevant.

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This one question has me totally beaten. And I thought I was pretty good in co-ordinate geometry. Here it is:

If the equation ax^2 + 2hxy + by^2 =1 represents an ellipse, find the square of the eccentricity of the ellipse.

I know that the ratio of the distance from the directrix to the focus of a point on the ellipse is the eccentricity. But I can't figure out what the directrix is or where the foci lie. This equation must represent an ellipse with its axes shifted (as the equation with x and y axes as its major axes is (x^2/a*a) + (y*y/b*b) =1). Also, here h*h - ab <0, and abc +2fgh -af*f - bg*g -ch*h is non zero. I just don't know how to go about finding the eccentricity.
 
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Do the shift of coordinates first, then worry about the eccentricity!
 
How would you do that? By substitituting x+a for x and y+b for y to eliminate the xy term?
 
NO!
First of all, sorry for saying "shifting" the coordinates, I meant "rotating" the coordinates.

Do you know how to do that?
 
Using x=xcos(t) - ysin(t) and y=xsin(t) + ycos(t) then equating the coeff of the xy term to zero from which you would get the value of tan2(t).

Then, substituting the value of sint and cost, you would get the general equation of the ellipse... right?
 
Right!
Then use, for example, the relation between the semi-major and semi-minor axes and the eccentricity to determine the latter quantity.
 
Thank you, that helps a lot. Its great having such talented people there to look at your problems. Thanks a lot.
 

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