How Do You Calculate the Suspended Mass M for Constant Velocity on an Incline?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the suspended mass M that allows two blocks, connected by strings and moving down an inclined plane at a constant velocity, to maintain that motion. The scenario involves concepts from mechanics, including forces, friction, and free body diagrams.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of creating free body diagrams for each block to identify the forces acting on them. There are questions about the role of the coefficient of friction and how to relate the forces through equations. Some participants suggest that understanding the relationships between tensions in the strings is crucial.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. There is a focus on the importance of free body diagrams and the equations that can be derived from them. Some guidance has been offered regarding the number of equations needed to solve for the unknowns, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem setup, including the assumption of a massless and frictionless pulley. There is also an emphasis on the need to account for multiple interacting bodies in the system.

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Blocks 1 and 2 of masses ml and m2, respectively, are connected by a light string, as shown above. These blocks are further connected to a block of mass M by another light string that passes over a pulley of negligible mass and friction. Blocks l and 2 move with a constant velocity v down the inclined plane, which makes an angle q with the horizontal. The kinetic frictional force on block 1 is f and that on block 2 is 2f.

I know that the coefficient of friction would be Ff/m1(-9.8)cos(angle).
How would I find the value of the suspended mass M that allows block 1 & 2 to move with constant velocity?
 

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gymnast2121 said:
I know that the coefficient of friction would be Ff/m1(-9.8)cos(angle).
How would I find the value of the suspended mass M that allows block 1 & 2 to move with constant velocity?
You won't need to consider the coefficient of friction to answer this part.
Do you understand how to develop free body diagrams when there are multiple interacting bodies? You create unknowns for all of the forces of interaction (the tensions here), draw a free body diagram for each body, and write down the dynamical equations for each body. You also need to make use of kinematic facts, like the fact that some string length does not change. This allows you to deduce that some velocities or accelerations are the same. Where a body has no mass (the pulley here) you know the sum of the forces and sum of torques are zero.
 
So to find the suspended mass M would I create a free body diagram showing all of the forces acting on it then find what equation to find it? Would the Equation involve using sin or cos with the angle?
 
gymnast2121 said:
So to find the suspended mass M would I create a free body diagram showing all of the forces acting on it
That alone won't tell you the mass. You need a free body diagram for each object in the system, and equations obtained from them. When the number of equations matches the number of unknowns, you probably have enough information to solve it.
Since the pulley is massless and frictionless, we can avoid an FBD for that; you just have to figure out how the tension on one side of it relates to the tension on the other side. So three FBDs should do it.
In general, you can get three equations per FBD: two for linear forces along some chosen co-ordinates (often, horizontal and vertical) and one for torque. In the present case there are no torques. So you could get up to 6 equations, but you won't need them all.

What equation do you know relating forces and accelerations in general?
 

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