How Do You Calculate the Tension in a Wire Supporting a Sign?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension in wires supporting a sign with a mass of 27 kg, which is positioned at an angle of 25 degrees with the vertical. Participants are exploring the relationship between mass, weight, and tension in the context of gravitational force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the force of gravity and its relationship to the tension in the wires. Questions arise regarding the initial assumption of a standard weight and the correct conversion of mass to weight in Newtons.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of using a standard weight for different objects and clarifying the calculations related to gravitational force. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the weight of the sign and its implications for tension in the wires.

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Participants are navigating discrepancies in the values used for gravitational force and discussing the implications of using a single standard weight for various objects. The original poster's confusion about whether to convert mass to weight is also noted.

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Homework Statement


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A sign with a mass of 27 kg is hanging in two wires both making an angle of 25 degrees with the vertical. Find the tension in one of the wires. Give your answer in Newtons (N) and with 3 significant figures.

Homework Equations


Ftens=gravity/sin(x) ?

The Attempt at a Solution


Force of gravity is 49N, half (finding one wire) is 24.5. The 25 degrees is with the vertical cos(25).

24.5N/cos(25)

This equals 27.0N

The answer should be in the hundreds.
I'm confused on whether I should be using the mass at all, or if I should be converting to Newtons, which would be 264.78, but the division of gravity is already converted to Newtons so I wouldn't see why I'd have to convert it again.
 
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How did you determine the force of gravity?
 
Simon Bridge said:
How did you determine the force of gravity?
I read it on a guided problem. That it was the standard.
 
Lana Elcic said:
I read it on a guided problem. That it was the standard.
That 49N is a standard weight? Standard for what?
The sign has a mass of 27kg. What is its weight?
 
haruspex said:
That 49N is a standard weight? Standard for what?
The sign has a mass of 27kg. What is its weight?
Standard for Gravity is what I read.
Weight. That should be 9.8(27) right? 264.6
 
Lana Elcic said:
Standard for Gravity is what I read.
Weight. That should be 9.8(27) right? 264.6
Right. So how did you get 49N before?
 
haruspex said:
Right. So how did you get 49N before?
I don't know it said on physics classroom that it was standard gravity in Newtons. So if I plug that in instead of 49 I should be correct?
 
Lana Elcic said:
I don't know it said on physics classroom that it was standard gravity in Newtons. So if I plug that in instead of 49 I should be correct?
Yes. Please post the physics classroom link.
 
It is important to make sure the theory you are using makes sense for the problem you are trying to solve.

You have probably noticed that different things may have different weights in the same gravity... does it make sense to use, as you did above, a single standard weight for all objects? If the wire had to support a car, or a twig, wouldn't you expect the tension to be different? Asking this sort of question is a core skill in science.
 

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