How Do You Calculate the Weight of a Black Hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for calculating the weight or mass of a black hole, exploring both theoretical and practical approaches. Participants consider the implications of weight versus mass and the gravitational interactions involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the terminology, suggesting that "mass" is the correct term rather than "weight," and notes that mass can be calculated through interactions between objects.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for calculating the mass of a black hole using its radius and constants, demonstrating a specific example with a micron-sized black hole.
  • A different participant expresses interest in calculating the gravitational interaction between a black hole and other objects, indicating a need for clarity on mass and the relevant equations.
  • One participant suggests that the velocity of objects in orbit around a black hole can be used to infer its mass, highlighting the relationship between orbital dynamics and mass measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of distinguishing between weight and mass, but multiple competing views on the methods of calculation remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on a single approach.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of weight and mass are present, and the discussion relies on specific constants and conditions that may not be universally agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in astrophysics, gravitational physics, or those seeking to understand the complexities of black hole measurements may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello all,
I am wondering how would you calculate the weight of a black hole?
 
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Do you mean mass? The weight of an object is the force of gravity between it and another object. That implies your answer, though: you calculate the mass of objects in space by measuring interactions between objects.
 
sleventh said:
Hello all,
I am wondering how would you calculate the weight of a black hole?

A good way would be to use the google calculator, which knows all the basic constants and units so you don't have to look anything up in a textbook.

A formula for the kilograms of a black hole is:

M = c2R/(2G)

G is Newton's constant, google will automatically put the value in for you if you just type G.
R is the black hole's radius. Let's try an example. Say the radius is one micron. Like a fine grain of dust.

Put this into the google search window:
"c^2*(1 micron)/(2G)"

I just tried it in the google window (omitting the quote marks of course) and it said 6.7e20 kilograms
That means 6.7 x 1020 kilograms.

You can figure out how much that weighs in pounds, if you like that unit, or tons if you prefer. I like thinking in terms of a metric tonne (one thousand kilograms).
This micronsize blackie weighs like 2/3 of a billion billion tonnes. Whew.
 
excellent thank you very much, the reason i had said weight to begin with was because i was wondering how to calculate the interaction between a black hole and some other object taking into account the gravitational effects of the black hole. Thank you very much marcus, i also was wondering about mass and what equation would be used.
thank you both
sleventh
 
It's also possible to use the velocity of objects in orbit around a black hole to calculate the mass. If, for example, we are looking at the velocity of the orbits of stars around the center of a galaxy (with a black hole at the center - use the orbit velocities to infer it's presence) then as long as the motion of the stars appears consistent with an orbit then a measurement of their velocity will allow us to calculate the amount of mass interior to the orbit. This is just one of the ways of measuring the interactions between a black hole and other objects as mentioned by russ_watters.
 

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