EDTA Lab Question/Clarification

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The discussion revolves around the preparation and calculation of the molarity of a disodium EDTA solution for titration purposes, as well as the subsequent calculations related to determining the moles of metal ions in a water sample and total hardness. The scope includes technical calculations and clarifications regarding experimental procedures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the molarity of the EDTA solution using the formula (0.2416g / 292.25 g) / 0.250 L = 0.00331 M, but questions whether the volume of EDTA used in titration should be considered.
  • Another participant confirms that the moles of metal titrated equals the moles of EDTA used at the endpoint of the titration.
  • A participant clarifies that they prepared the EDTA solution in a 250 mL volumetric flask, suggesting that the preparation method is critical for accurate calculations.
  • One participant points out a discrepancy in the description of the preparation process, emphasizing the importance of clarity in experimental descriptions.
  • Another participant acknowledges the mix-up in their earlier description and confirms that the EDTA solution was indeed prepared in the volumetric flask before being transferred to a plastic bottle.

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Participants generally agree on the relationship between moles of EDTA and moles of metal ions at the titration endpoint. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the correct preparation method and its implications for the calculations.

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Participants express uncertainty about the exact volume of the EDTA solution used for titration and the implications of different preparation methods on the calculations. There is also a lack of consensus on whether the initial dilution method affects the final molarity calculation.

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I weighed out 0.2416 g disodium EDTA and diluted it with about 250 mL of H2O and stuck it in a plastic bottle to use for titration. My question is, to determine the molarity of my stock EDTA standard sol'n, is it just (0.2416g / 292.25 g) / 0.250 L = 0.00331 M? Or do I have to use the VOLUME of EDTA solution used to titrate to the endpoint? (which in my case is 27.54 mL, 27.80 mL, and 27.26 mL respectively). I'm really leaning towards the first equation I wrote, but I'm not 100% sure.

Also, how would I go about calculating the moles of metal ions that I have in my water sample (50mL). EDTA has a 1:1 stoich ratio with them so would I just (M EDTA x V EDTA) = (M ions x V ions)? So then it would be something like (M EDTA x titration volume) = (M ions x 0.050 L)?

So, once I figure out the moles of metal ions in solution, to figure out the total hardness of the water sample do I just do (moles of metal ions x MW of CaCO3 mg) / (0.050L) to get it in mg/L (ppm)?

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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What was the exact volume of EDTA titrant you prepared?

Moles of metal titrated equals moles of EDTA titrant used, at the titration's endpoint. Did you use a standard Ca+2 solution?
 
I prepped it with 250 mL. I put the disodium EDTA in a 250 mL volumetric flask and diluted it to the mark, so I assume it's that. We used water from the faucet in our lab.
 
Ponder very carefully the difference between your preparation descriptions which you gave in these two quotes:
anthonynewegn said:
I weighed out 0.2416 g disodium EDTA and diluted it with about 250 mL of H2O and stuck it in a plastic bottle to use for titration.
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I prepped it with 250 mL. I put the disodium EDTA in a 250 mL volumetric flask and diluted it to the mark, so I assume it's that. We used water from the faucet in our lab..

So you seem to have made a standard solution of your EDTA titrant, if what you really did was the second described process. Your two descriptions are not the same. Next, your equation for how the moles are related is correct.
 
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Ah sorry, I should've clarified it better. I weighed out the 0.2416 g disodium EDTA and put it in the 250 mL volumetric flask so I could dilute it to the mark. After I did that, I poured the solution into a plastic bottle because its safer that way. (No metal ions in plastic bottle). So in my bottle, there was 250 mL of EDTA solution. Sorry for the mixup.
 

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