How Do You Derive and Analyze the Matrix for 3 Coupled Oscillators?

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The discussion revolves around deriving and analyzing the matrix for a system of three coupled oscillators, focusing on the equations of motion and the resulting eigenvalues. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the system's dynamics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations of motion for three coupled oscillators and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their matrix formulation. Some participants suggest alternative representations of the system and question the implications of complex eigenvalues in a non-dissipative context. Others raise concerns about the physical interpretation of eigenvalues and their relation to the motion of the masses.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical details, with some providing guidance on simplifying the calculations and clarifying the expected behavior of the system. There is a recognition of the need to check calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding eigenvalues and their implications.

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There is a mention of the expectation of a zero eigenvalue related to the center of mass motion, indicating that certain assumptions about the system's behavior are under discussion. Additionally, participants are navigating the complexities of eigenvalue interpretation in the context of coupled oscillators.

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Hi,

I am not sure if I have derived the matrix correctly, because of my results in task b

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I solved task 1 as follows, I assumed that all three particles move to the right

$$m \dot{x_1}=-k(x_1 - x_2)$$
$$2m \dot{x_2}=-k(x_2-x_2)-3k(x_2-x_3)$$
$$3m \dot{x_3}=-3k(x_3-x_2)$$

Then I simply divided all three equations by the masses and got the following form

$$ \dot{x_1}=-\frac{k}{m}(x_1 - x_2)$$
$$ \dot{x_2}=-\frac{k}{2m}(x_2-x_2)-\frac{3k}{2m}(x_2-x_3)$$
$$ \dot{x_3}=-\frac{k}{m}(x_3-x_2)$$

Then I set up the 3 equations in the required matrix form:$$\frac{d}{dt^2} \vec{x}=\left( \begin{array}{rrr}
-\frac{k}{m} & \frac{k}{m} & 0 \\
\frac{k}{2m} & -(\frac{k}{2m}+\frac{3k}{2m}) & \frac{3k}{2m} \\
0 & \frac{k}{m} & -\frac{k}{m} \\
\end{array}\right) \left( \begin{array}{rrr}
x_1 \\
x_2 \\
x_3 \\
\end{array}\right)$$

For task part b, I simply put ##\vec{x}(t)=e^{i \omega t} \vec{v}## into the matrix above and then divided out the exponential term on both sides.$$ -\omega^2 \vec{v}= \left( \begin{array}{rrr}
-\frac{k}{m} & \frac{k}{m} & 0 \\
\frac{k}{2m} & -(\frac{k}{2m}+\frac{3k}{2m}) & \frac{3k}{2m} \\
0 & \frac{k}{m} & -\frac{k}{m} \\
\end{array}\right) \vec{v}$$

After that I just got everything on one site and used that ##\frac{k}{m}=\omega_0## is

$$ \left( \begin{array}{rrr}
0 \\
0 \\
0 \\
\end{array}\right)= \left( \begin{array}{rrr}
-\frac{k}{m}+\omega^2 & \frac{k}{m} & 0 \\
\frac{k}{2m} & -(\frac{k}{2m}+\frac{3k}{2m})+\omega^2 & \frac{3k}{2m} \\
0 & \frac{k}{m} & -\frac{k}{m}+\omega^2 \\
\end{array}\right) \vec{v}$$

Now, to determine ##\omega##, I simply formed the determinant of the matrix and got the following:

$$\frac{3 \omega_0^6}{2}+\frac{3 \omega_0^4 \omega^2}{2}-2 \omega_0^2 \omega^4- \omega^6=0$$

If I now solve the equation for ##\omega##, I get the following values

$$\omega_1=\pm \omega_0$$
$$\omega_2=\pm \sqrt{\frac{1}{2}(3+ \sqrt{3})}\sqrt{-\omega_0^2}$$
$$\omega_3=\pm \frac{\sqrt{(\sqrt{3}-3) \omega_0^2}}{\sqrt{2}}$$
 
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You can simplify your calculations by writing the system as <br /> \ddot{\mathbf{x}} + \omega_0^2 \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \\ -\tfrac12 &amp; 2 &amp; -\tfrac32 \\ 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 1 <br /> \end{pmatrix}\mathbf{x} = 0 where \omega_0^2 = k/m. Then after substituting \mathbf{x} = \mathbf{v}e^{i\omega t} you can set \omega^2 = \lambda \omega_0^2 to obtain <br /> \omega_0^2\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 - \lambda &amp; -1 &amp; 0 \\ -\tfrac12 &amp; 2 - \lambda &amp; -\tfrac 32 \\ 0 &amp; -1 &amp; 1 - \lambda <br /> \end{pmatrix}\mathbf{v} = 0. The determinant is then (EDIT: This is incorrect; please see below) <br /> (1 - \lambda)((2 - \lambda)(1 - \lambda) + \tfrac32) - \tfrac12 (1 - \lambda) = (1- \lambda)(\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 3). Thus we have \lambda = 1, \sqrt{3}e^{\pm i\pi/6}. Therefore <br /> \frac{\omega}{\omega_0} = \pm 1, 3^{1/4}e^{\pm i\pi/12}, 3^{1/4}e^{\pm i 5 \pi /12}. We can immediately see that the roots occur in complex conjugate pairs, as expected.
 
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I've not explicitly checked the calculation, but how can you get complex eigenvalues for a non-dissipative system of harmonic oscillators?
 
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vanhees71 said:
I've not explicitly checked the calculation, but how can you get complex eigenvalues for a non-dissipative system of harmonic oscillators?

Yes, I see I have made a sign error; the determinant should be <br /> (1 - \lambda)((2-\lambda)(1 - \lambda) - \tfrac32 ) - \tfrac12(1 - \lambda) = (1 - \lambda)(\lambda^2 - 3\lambda).
 
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That looks good!
 
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I should also note that we expect a zero eigenvalue: The centre of mass does not accelerate, so m_i \ddot x_i = m_i M_{ij} x_j = 0 for every x_j. But this requires that m_i M_{ij} = 0 so m_i \neq 0 is a left eigenvector with eigenvalue zero.
 
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Thank you pasmith and vanhees71 for your help 👍👍, sorry I'm only getting back to you now, the last few weeks have been a bit stressful 🙃

Now I have understood how I can solve the task much easier, thank you very much 👍

One quick question, does the sign of the eigenvalues actually tell me in which direction the masses are moving?
 
Lambda96 said:
One quick question, does the sign of the eigenvalues actually tell me in which direction the masses are moving?

No. If \lambda &lt; 0 then \mathbf{x} = \mathbf{v}e^{\pm \omega_0\sqrt{|\lambda|}t} and we have exponential growth or decay. Thus we must have \lambda \geq 0. The zero eigenvalue corresponds to a constant drift of the centre of mass; the other eigenvalues give the frequencies of oscillation about the centre of mass. The corresponding eigenvectors will show you the relative motion of the masses.
 

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