How Do You Evaluate the Limit of (1/tan(x) - 1/x)/x Using Taylor Series?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (1/tan(x) - 1/x)/x as x approaches 0, utilizing Taylor series expansions. Participants are exploring the behavior of the limit as x approaches zero, particularly focusing on the Taylor series for tan(x) and its implications for the limit calculation.

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  • Participants attempt to substitute tan(x) with various Taylor series expansions, questioning the correctness of the coefficients used. There are discussions about the implications of different series on the limit evaluation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different Taylor series for tan(x), with some participants suggesting the use of L'Hopital's rule as an alternative approach. Multiple interpretations of the series and their effects on the limit are being considered, but no consensus has been reached regarding the final evaluation.

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Some participants note potential typos in the series expansions and question the assumptions made about the series used for tan(x). The hint provided regarding the expansion of 1/(1+c) is also under discussion, with participants unsure of its application in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the limit ##\lim_{x\to0} \frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x}) ## using Taylor's formula. (Hint: ##\frac{1}{1+c}=\frac{1-c^2+c^2}{1+c} ## may be useful)

The Attempt at a Solution


I began by substituting ##tanx## with ##x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x)##, where ε tends to zero as x approaches 0.

##\frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-tanx}{xtanx})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-x-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x(x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x(x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=\frac{-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x^2(x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}=\frac{-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x^3+\frac{x^4}{3}+x^4ε(x))}=\frac{-\frac{1}{3}-ε(x))}{1+\frac{x}{3}+xε(x))}## →-1/3 as x→0
 
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lep11 said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the limit ##\lim_{x\to0} \frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x}) ## using Taylor's formula. (Hint: ##\frac{1}{1+c}=\frac{1-c^2+c^2}{1+c} ## may be useful)

The Attempt at a Solution


substituting ##tanx## with ##x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x)##, where ε tends to zero as x approaches 0.

##\frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-tanx}{xtanx})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x(x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x(x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})##

You're not far from the answer. After cancellations, you have: [itex]\frac{\frac{x^3}{3} + ...}{x^3 + ...}[/itex], where [itex]...[/itex] represents higher-order terms. If you ignore the higher-order terms, what do you get?
 
stevendaryl said:
You're not far from the answer. After cancellations, you have: [itex]\frac{\frac{x^3}{3} + ...}{x^3 + ...}[/itex], where [itex]...[/itex] represents higher-order terms. If you ignore the higher-order terms, what do you get?
It's 1/3. But where to use the hint I am given?
 
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You lost a minus sign in the numerator.
 
lep11 said:
It's 1/3. But where to use the hint I am given?

I don't get that, either.
 
Samy_A said:
You lost a minus sign in the numerator.
You are right. It's a typo.
 
lep11 said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the limit ##\lim_{x\to0} \frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x}) ## using Taylor's formula. (Hint: ##\frac{1}{1+c}=\frac{1-c^2+c^2}{1+c} ## may be useful)

The Attempt at a Solution


I began by substituting ##tanx## with ##x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x)##, where ε tends to zero as x approaches 0.

##\frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-tanx}{xtanx})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x(x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x(x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=\frac{\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x^2(x-\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}=\frac{\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))}{x^3-\frac{x^4}{3}+x^4ε(x))}##??

I think you've got the wrong series for ##tan(x)##. Check your coefficients. Also, if you are going to use the Taylor series, you should use the series for ##1/tan(x)## by applying the binomial expansion to the series for ##tan(x)## or using the series for ##cot(x)##.

That said, this one looks tailor-made(!) for L'Hopital, using ##tan = sin/cos##.
 
Samy_A said:
You lost a minus sign in the numerator.

No, I think he started with the wrong expansion for tan(x). It should be [itex]tan(x) = x + \frac{x^3}{3} + ...[/itex] not [itex]x - \frac{x^3}{3}[/itex]
 
stevendaryl said:
No, I think he started with the wrong expansion for tan(x). It should be [itex]tan(x) = x + \frac{x^3}{3} + ...[/itex] not [itex]x - \frac{x^3}{3}[/itex]
Yes, he has a wrong Taylor series. In the denominator, that should have been ##+\frac{x^3}{3}##. But in the numerator, he expands ##x-\tan x##, so the ##\frac{x^3}{3}## gets a minus sign.
When taking the limit, the ##x³## term resulting from the ##\tan## series in the denominator is not important, but the one in the numerator is.
The correct limit is ##-\frac13##.
 
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My advice would be to do it the easy way using L'Hopital so you know what the answer is, then do it the hard way using Taylor series :wink:
 
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PeroK said:
My advice would be to do it the easy way using L'Hopital so you know what the answer is, then do it the hard way using Taylor series :wink:
Sure, the hints he got are strange. This is, as you said, tailor-made(!) for L'Hopital.
 
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##\frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-tanx}{xtanx})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-x-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x(x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=...=\frac{-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x^3+\frac{x^4}{3}+x^4ε(x))}=\frac{-\frac{1}{3}-ε(x))}{1+\frac{x}{3}+xε(x))}## →-1/3 as x→0

Looks like I didn't need the hint. However, I think I'm supposed to derive the Taylor formula I used for the problem. We have covered expansions for sinx and cos x in class. So ##tanx=\frac{sinx}{cosx}=\frac{x-\frac{x^3}{3!}+\frac{x^5}{5!}-...}{1-\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^4}{4!}-...}=##
 
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lep11 said:
##\frac{1}{x}(\frac{1}{tanx}-\frac{1}{x})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-tanx}{xtanx})=\frac{1}{x}(\frac{x-x-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x(x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x))})=...=\frac{-\frac{x^3}{3}-x^3ε(x))}{x^3+\frac{x^4}{3}+x^4ε(x))}=\frac{-\frac{1}{3}-ε(x))}{1+\frac{x}{3}+xε(x))}## →-1/3 as x→0

Looks like I didn't need the hint. However, I think I'm supposed to derive the Taylor formula I used for the problem. We have covered expansions for sinx and cos x in class. So ##tanx=\frac{sinx}{cosx}=\frac{x-\frac{x^3}{3!}+\frac{x^5}{5!}-...}{1-\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^4}{4!}-...}=##

I would go for: ##1/tanx = cosx/sinx##

You might as well make things easy for yourself!

Use the binomial for ##1/sinx = (x-\frac{x^3}{3!}+\frac{x^5}{5!}- \dots)^{-1} = (1/x)(1-\frac{x^2}{3!}+\frac{x^4}{5!}- \dots)^{-1}##
 
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I actually derived the expansion for ##\tan x## from the definition of taylor formula. ##f'(x)=D\tan x=1+\tan^2 x##, ##f'(0)=1##
##f''(x)=2\tan x(1+\tan^2 x)##, ##f''(0)=0## etc. and got ##\tan x=x+\frac{x^3}{3}+x^3ε(x)##. I think this is maybe shorter and nicer than deriving it by long division.
 
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PeroK said:
I would go for: ##1/ \tan x = \cos x / \sin x##
I thought I had posted something on this a day or two ago. Using the first of Perok's suggestions, then common denominator, etc. :

##\displaystyle \
\frac{1}{x}\left(\frac{1}{\tan x}-\frac{1}{x}\right)
\ ##

##\displaystyle \
=\frac{x \cos x - \sin x}{x^2\sin x}
\ ##

Now use the Taylor expansions for sin x and cos x .
 

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