How Do You Form a Degree 4 Polynomial with Given Complex Zeros?

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The discussion revolves around forming a degree 4 polynomial with specified complex zeros, specifically 1+i and 2-3i, while adhering to the constraint of not including radical or complex terms in the final expression.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between complex zeros and polynomial factors, noting that complex roots come in conjugate pairs. There is discussion about the polynomial's structure based on known roots and the implications of having complex coefficients.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the formation of polynomials from complex roots. Some have suggested methods for regrouping terms to facilitate multiplication of factors, while others are exploring the implications of real versus complex coefficients on the nature of the roots.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the requirement that the polynomial must not contain radical or complex terms, which influences the approaches discussed. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the best method to find the polynomial without resorting to trial and error.

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Homework Statement


Form a polynomial whose zeros and degree are given below. You don't need to expand it completely but you shouldn't have radical or complex terms.

Degree 4: No real zeros, complex zeros of 1+i and 2-3i

Homework Equations


(-b±√b^2-4ac)/2a

The Attempt at a Solution


I want something along the lines of 1 + sqrt(-1) and 1 - sqrt(-1)

I tried x^2 + x + 1 and here is what I got

(-1+sqrt(3)i)/2 and (-1-sqrt(3)i)/2

There has to be a better way than plugging coefficients into ax^2 + bx + c to find 2 factors, 1 for each complex zero(I only need 2 since complex numbers come in pairs)

I know for real zeros + y intercept I can just solve for a at x = 0

Is there a shortcut to trial and error with complex zeros that aren't a simple multiple of i(multiples of i would mean a sum of squares and that's easy)?
 
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You said that complex numbers come in pairs. What does this mean?
And do you know how a polynomial can be written, if you know all its roots?
 
caters said:

Homework Statement


Form a polynomial whose zeros and degree are given below. You don't need to expand it completely but you shouldn't have radical or complex terms.

Degree 4: No real zeros, complex zeros of 1+i and 2-3i

Homework Equations


(-b±√b^2-4ac)/2a

The Attempt at a Solution


I want something along the lines of 1 + sqrt(-1) and 1 - sqrt(-1)

I tried x^2 + x + 1 and here is what I got

(-1+sqrt(3)i)/2 and (-1-sqrt(3)i)/2

There has to be a better way than plugging coefficients into ax^2 + bx + c to find 2 factors, 1 for each complex zero(I only need 2 since complex numbers come in pairs)

I know for real zeros + y intercept I can just solve for a at x = 0

Is there a shortcut to trial and error with complex zeros that aren't a simple multiple of i(multiples of i would mean a sum of squares and that's easy)?

You can choose 2 zeros yourself? What do you know about:

##z \overline{z}## where ##z \in \mathbb{C} \backslash {R}##
 
fresh_42 said:
You said that complex numbers come in pairs. What does this mean?
And do you know how a polynomial can be written, if you know all its roots?

Complex numbers coming in pairs means that I only need 2 factors for 4 zeros instead of 4 factors and that each factor is quadratic.

And I know that the polynomial with complex terms would be (x-(1+i))(x-(1-i))(x-(2+3i))(x-(2-3i))
 
caters said:

Homework Statement


Form a polynomial whose zeros and degree are given below. You don't need to expand it completely but you shouldn't have radical or complex terms.

Degree 4: No real zeros, complex zeros of 1+i and 2-3i

Homework Equations


(-b±√b^2-4ac)/2a

The Attempt at a Solution


I want something along the lines of 1 + sqrt(-1) and 1 - sqrt(-1)

I tried x^2 + x + 1 and here is what I got

(-1+sqrt(3)i)/2 and (-1-sqrt(3)i)/2

There has to be a better way than plugging coefficients into ax^2 + bx + c to find 2 factors, 1 for each complex zero(I only need 2 since complex numbers come in pairs)

I know for real zeros + y intercept I can just solve for a at x = 0

Is there a shortcut to trial and error with complex zeros that aren't a simple multiple of i(multiples of i would mean a sum of squares and that's easy)?

Complex roots come in (conjugate) pairs IF the coefficients of the polynomial are real numbers. If the polynomial has complex number coefficients, the roots do not need to come in pairs. For example, the polynomial ##p = x^3 - 4 i x^2 -(6-5i)x +5-i## has roots ##1##, ##i+1## and ##-2+3i##.
 
caters said:
Complex numbers coming in pairs means that I only need 2 factors for 4 zeros instead of 4 factors and that each factor is quadratic.
Almost. It's not exactly a square, i.e. not exactly the same two zeros. See your own answer below.
And I know that the polynomial with complex terms would be (x-(1+i))(x-(1-i))(x-(2+3i))(x-(2-3i))
So why don't you simply multiply this out?
 
fresh_42 said:
So why don't you simply multiply this out
... which you will find easier if you first regroup the terms in the factors to separate out the complex parts, e.g. ((x-1)-i) instead of (x-(1+i)).
 
caters said:
Complex numbers coming in pairs means that I only need 2 factors for 4 zeros instead of 4 factors and that each factor is quadratic.
What you have above is not quite right, as others have stated.

However, what you have below is correct.
caters said:
And I know that the polynomial with complex terms would be (x-(1+i))(x-(1-i))(x-(2+3i))(x-(2-3i))
To expand the first two factors and the last two factors, regroup them as follows, then use difference of squares (difference times sum) or product of complex conjugates.

(x-(1+i))(x-(1-i)) = ((x-1) - i)((x-1) + i)

(x-(2+3i))(x-(2-3i)) = ((x-2) - 3i)((x-2) + 3i)
 

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