How Do You Integrate √(1+x²)/x dx Correctly?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function √(1+x²)/x with respect to x. Participants are exploring various substitution methods to simplify the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using a substitution u = 1+x² and its implications for the integral. There is confusion regarding the treatment of x in the denominator and how it interacts with the substitution. Some suggest trigonometric substitutions, such as x = tan(θ), while others consider hyperbolic substitutions. Questions arise about the validity and effectiveness of different methods.

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Participants are actively sharing their attempts and questioning the effectiveness of their approaches. Some have reached a point in their calculations but express uncertainty about the next steps. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but multiple strategies are being explored.

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Some participants mention that they have received conflicting advice regarding the appropriateness of their chosen methods, particularly concerning the necessity of trigonometric substitution. There is also a note of confusion regarding the handling of variables during substitution.

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Homework Statement


∫√(1+x2)/x dx


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Let u = 1+x2
du = 2xdx
1/2du=xdx
x=√(u-1)

∫√1+x2/x dx
=∫√u/√(u-1) du

or is it 1/2∫√udu as xdx would remove it. This is where I got confused.
 
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Saterial said:

Homework Statement


∫√(1+x2)/x dx

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



Let u = 1+x2
du = 2xdx
1/2du=xdx
x=√(u-1)

∫√1+x2/x dx
=∫√u/√(u-1) du

or is it 1/2∫√udu as xdx would remove it. This is where I got confused.
What did you do with the x in the denominator of
[itex]\displaystyle \int \frac{\sqrt{1+x^2}}{x}\,dx \ ?[/itex]​

A better substitution would be a trig substitution such as x = tan(θ).
 
In my solution attempt, I tried two different ways. In your specific question, I replaced the x in the denominator with √(u-1) , as solving for x in u=1+x^2
 
Saterial said:
In my solution attempt, I tried two different ways. In your specific question, I replaced the x in the denominator with √(u-1) , as solving for x in u=1+x^2
You're missing an x.

You have du = 2x dx . Therefore dx = 1/(2x) du.

This gives you an x2 in the denominator. x2 = u - 1 .
 
A trigonometric substitution does the trick here, an hyperbolic substitution might also work.
 
Thanks for the help so far. With that little fix, I've now reached the point of

1/2 ∫√u/(u-1) du

I don't know where to go from here. I also am having many people tell me that this method will not work? That Trig-Substitution is the only way to solve this problem... Is that true? Am I just wasting my time?
 
Saterial said:
Thanks for the help so far. With that little fix, I've now reached the point of

1/2 ∫√u/(u-1) du

I don't know where to go from here. I also am having many people tell me that this method will not work? That Trig-Substitution is the only way to solve this problem... Is that true? Am I just wasting my time?
There are two ways that I know of to do this integration.

Use either a trig substitution, such as x = tan(θ) , or use a substitution involving hyperbolic functions, such as x = sinh(u).

These are handy because, tan2(θ) + 1 = sec2(θ) and sinh2(u) + 1 = cosh2(u).


Either substitution will require you to do a far amount of follow-up work to finish the integration.
 

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