How Do You Integrate \( C_\ell \) Using Integration by Parts?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a specific expression involving the integral of a Legendre polynomial multiplied by an exponential function, denoted as \( C_\ell \). The context includes concepts from mathematical physics, particularly related to spherical harmonics and Bessel functions.

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  • Participants explore the use of the addition theorem for spherical harmonics and its implications for the integration of Legendre polynomials. There are attempts to relate the problem to known results from mathematical methods texts. Some participants question the effectiveness of their approaches and seek clarification on standard techniques that might apply.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and references to relevant texts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to the integral, including differentiation and evaluation strategies. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion regarding the application of the addition theorem and integration techniques. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of mathematical methods relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement



consider the integral,
[tex]{C_\ell } = \frac{{2\ell + 1}}{{2{j_\ell }(kr)}}\frac{1}{{{2^\ell }\ell !}}\int_{ - 1}^{ + 1} {\frac{{{d^\ell }({{({x^2} - 1)}^\ell })}}{{d{x^\ell }}}{e^{{\bf{i}}krx}}dx}[/tex]

how do you do it?

Homework Equations



l = integer, as in the oft-occurring l*(l+1)*hbar
j sub l = the l-th bessel function
x = cos(theta)

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this is related to Shankar 12.6.10
 
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Hi Vela, thanks for your post. I looked up the addition theorem for spherical harmonics as it appeared in Jackson's electrodynamics text (rather than Wikipedia), and tried to use that to represent the Legendre polynomial I have to integrate. I wound up just writing a tautology (e.g., x = x; true, and totally useless). Based on what the attached .pdf says, could you elaborate on what it means to use the addition theorem? Is there some standard trick I should be doing that's written in a math-methods text (e.g., Boas or Arfken/Weber) that I should know of or could read up on?
 

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Sorry, I was thinking of a completely different problem. Just ignore what I said earlier.

I found the problem in Arfken on page 665, problem 12.4.7. You got to:
[tex]C_lj_l(kr) = \frac{2l+1}{2}\int_{-1}^1 P_l(x)e^{ikrx}\,dx[/tex]
The hint for the problem says to then differentiate this [itex]l[/itex] times with respect to kr, then set r=0, and, finally, evaluate the remaining integral.
 
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Ah, brilliant! Something new to try--I found the relation you're talking about, and Arfken/Weber provides enough instruction to get me started and keep me busy for awhile... Be back in a bit, maybe...
 
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it is early so this may be unfounded but could you not use integration by parts

to have a series of expressions like

[tex]\Sigma_{j=0}^{l-1} [ \frac{d^j (x^2 -1)^l}{dx^j} e^{ikrx}]_{-1}^{1} + (-1)^l i^l (kr)^l \int_{-1}^{+1} (x^2 - 1 )^l e^{ikrx}[/tex]

since the series ends at l-1 the terms in the series will all have a factor of (x^2 -1) which is 0 at both +1 and -1 so you are left with the final integral does that help at all
 
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