How Do You Integrate y^3 Over a Triangle with Given Vertices?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(y^3\) over a triangular region defined by the vertices (0,1), (1,2), and (4,1). Participants explore the setup for a double integral, focusing on determining the appropriate limits of integration and the equations of the triangle's sides.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how to set up the double integral for the triangular region.
  • One participant suggests starting the integration at \(y=1\) and describes a method involving horizontal rectangles to find the area.
  • Another participant corrects the approach, emphasizing the need for a double integral and providing a formula involving the range of \(x\) as a function of \(y\).
  • There is a discussion about finding the equations for the sides of the triangle, particularly side AB, with one participant deriving the equation \(y=x+1\).
  • Another participant mentions the need for the equations of both sides AB and BC to establish the limits for \(x\) in the double integral.
  • One participant proposes an alternative formulation for the integral, confirming the previous calculations.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the equation for side BC, with conflicting claims about its expression, leading to further questioning and reevaluation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct equations for the sides of the triangle or the limits of integration. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the setup of the double integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the equations of the triangle's sides and the correct limits for the double integral. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on the definitions of the triangle's boundaries.

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$\int \, \int_{D}^{} \, y^3 dA$ D is the triangular region with vertices (0,1), (1,2), (4,1)

i can't get past this problem. i drew the triangle but i don't know how to find the intervals...
excuse my ugly drawing :p
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ineedhelpnow said:
$\int \, \int_{D}^{} \, y^3 dA$ D is the triangular region with vertices (0,1), (1,2), (4,1)

i can't get past this problem. i drew the triangle but i don't know how to find the intervals...
excuse my ugly drawing :p
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Hi! ;)

Let's start at $y=1$.
We can draw a thin horizontal rectangle there with length $4$ and height $dy$.

At $y=2$, we would have a rectangle with length $0$ and height $dy$.

Everywhere between, we have a linear transition.
That is, we have a rectangle of length $(8y-4)$ and height $dy$.

That totals to:
$$\iint_D y^3 dA = \int_1^2 y^3 \cdot (8y-4) \cdot dy$$
 
hey ils.

uuum (Blush) its a double integral though.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
hey ils.

uuum (Blush) its a double integral though.

Yep. (Nod)

So it's:
\begin{aligned}\iint_D y^3dA &= \int_1^2 \int_{\text{weird range of length $(8 - 4y)$}} y^3dx dy \\
&= \int_1^2 y^3 \left(\int_{\text{weird range of length $(8 - 4y)$}} dx\right) dy \\
&=\int_1^2 y^3 (8-4y)dy\end{aligned}
(Wasntme)
 
(Rofl) how do i find the weird range? so like $D={(x,y)|?\le x \le ?, ? \le y \le ?}$. i was looking at an example on chegg and they used the equation from side AB and BC for the interval of x. i don't remember how to get the equation of the sides of a triangle (Blush)
 
ineedhelpnow said:
(Rofl) how do i find the weird range? so like $D={(x,y)|?\le x \le ?, ? \le y \le ?}$. i was looking at an example on chegg and they used the equation from side AB and BC for the interval. i don't remember how to get the equation of the sides of a triangle (Blush)

What is the range of $x$ when $y=1$?
What if $y=2$?
And what if $y$ has some value in between those 2? (Wondering)We can also do it with the equations of AB and BC, but that is more complicated. (Doh)Anyway, for the equation of AB, we have the 2 points (0,1) and (1,2).
The equation for AB is given by:
$$y-y_A=\frac{y_B-y_A}{x_B-x_A}(x-x_A)$$
That is:
$$y-1=\frac{2-1}{1-0}(x-0) \quad\Rightarrow\quad y=x+1$$
(Wasntme)
 
thank you ils :o
yeah the reason why i asked for the equation of the line is because this lesson is about double integrals where one of the integrals is between a range of two equations and the other is between two actual numbers.
 
Another formulation would be:

$$V=\iint\limits_{R}y^3\,dA=\int_1^2 y^3\int_{y-1}^{7-3y}\,dx\,dy=\int_1^2 y^3(8-4y)\,dy$$

Just as suggested above. :D
 
i found BC and i got $x=3y-5$.
so $ \int_{y-1}^{3y-5} \ $?
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
i found BC and i got $x=3y-5$.
so $ \int_{y-1}^{3y-5} \ $?

That doesn't look right. (Worried)
How did you find it? (Wondering)
 
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i have no idea. i did it again. its x=7-3y
 

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