How Do You Operate the Hamiltonian on a Coherent State?

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The discussion revolves around operating the Hamiltonian of a displaced harmonic oscillator on a coherent state |α>. Participants express confusion regarding the application of the Hamiltonian, which includes position and momentum operators, to a state that appears constant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the Hamiltonian and the coherent state, questioning how to apply the Hamiltonian to |α>. Some mention the use of raising and lowering operators and their properties in relation to coherent states.

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There is ongoing exploration of the implications of using the Hamiltonian on the coherent state, with some participants suggesting that the original poster clarify their understanding of the operators involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, particularly regarding the nature of |α> and its relation to the harmonic oscillator states.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions and properties of the Hamiltonian and coherent states, as well as the implications of operating on different state representations.

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Homework Statement
For α = f/(ω√2mћω), evaluate H|α> for H = p^2/2m + mω^2x^2/2 - fx, which is the Hamiltonian of a displaced Harmonic Oscillator under a constant force f. Is this |α> the ground state of this displaced simple harmonic oscillator?
Relevant Equations
H|α> = En|α> = (n + 1/2)ћω |α>
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I am getting that we have to operate the given Hamiltonian on the given state |α>. But what is confusing me is that since this H contains position and momentum operators which just involve variable x and partial derivative, how do I operate this H on the given α, since it seems like α is essentially a constant quantity? Please help!
 
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tanaygupta2000 said:
Homework Statement:: For α = f/(ω√2mћω), evaluate H|α> for H = p^2/2m + mω^2x^2/2 - fx, which is the Hamiltonian of a displaced Harmonic Oscillator under a constant force f. Is this |α> the ground state of this displaced simple harmonic oscillator?
Relevant Equations:: H|α> = En|α> = (n + 1/2)ћω |α>

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I am getting that we have to operate the given Hamiltonian on the given state |α>. But what is confusing me is that since this H contains position and momentum operators which just involve variable x and partial derivative, how do I operate this H on the given α, since it seems like α is essentially a constant quantity? Please help!

Have you been through the exercise of defining the "raising and lowering" operators for the harmonic oscillator? If so, then you should know that ##x## and ##p## can be expressed as linear combinations of the raising and lowering operators.

Alternatively, if you solve the harmonic oscillator in position space, then you should know that the state satisfying ##H |a\rangle = (n+1/2)\hbar \omega |a \rangle## can be expressed in the position basis as a function of ##x##. That's a lot more complicated way to go, so I'm assuming that you are using the raising and lowering operators...
 
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stevendaryl said:
Have you been through the exercise of defining the "raising and lowering" operators for the harmonic oscillator? If so, then you should know that ##x## and ##p## can be expressed as linear combinations of the raising and lowering operators.

Alternatively, if you solve the harmonic oscillator in position space, then you should know that the state satisfying ##H |a\rangle = (n+1/2)\hbar \omega |a \rangle## can be expressed in the position basis as a function of ##x##. That's a lot more complicated way to go, so I'm assuming that you are using the raising and lowering operators...
Yes, sir! I am very much familiar with the representation of position and momentum operators in terms of raising and lowering operators:
x = √(hbar/2mw) (a' + a)
p = i√(mhw/2) (a' - a)

where x and p are position and momentum operators and a and a' are creation and annihilation operators.
 
But I think a and a' only act on |n>.
Or should I use this property for coherent states:
a|α> = α|α>
<α|a' = α*<α|
 
Please help!
 
tanaygupta2000 said:
But I think a and a' only act on |n>.
Or should I use this property for coherent states:
a|α> = α|α>
<α|a' = α*<α|

##|a\rangle## is the state ##|n\rangle##. It's not a coherent state. Your "relevant equation" says:

##H |a\rangle = (n+1/2) \hbar \omega |a\rangle##

There is some confusion here, because you're using the same symbol, ##H## to mean both the original hamiltonian and the "displaced" hamiltonian. What I assumed that the problem was asking for was

Let ##H_0 = p^2/2m + m \omega^2/2 x^2##.
Let ##|n\rangle## be a state such that ##H_0 |n\rangle = (n+1/2) \hbar \omega |n\rangle##.
Let ##H = H_0 - fx##.

Then what is ##H |n\rangle## in terms of the original basis, ##|n\rangle##?

So under this interpretation of the question, ##H|n\rangle = ## some combination of states ##|0\rangle, |1\rangle, |2\rangle,...##
 
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I tried this way and got struck after this. Please guide.
 
I think that that’s as much as you can do. The ground state of the displaced Hamiltonian cannot be equal to ##|n\rangle##, since acting on it by the Hamiltonian mixes states of different ##|n\rangle##.

You could try to find the ground state of the displaced Hamiltonian, but that’s going beyond what the problem asked for.
 
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Thank You so much for your help.
 
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tanaygupta2000 said:
I am getting that we have to operate the given Hamiltonian on the given state |α>. But what is confusing me is that since this H contains position and momentum operators which just involve variable x and partial derivative, how do I operate this H on the given α, since it seems like α is essentially a constant quantity? Please help!
I had the same question when I read the problem statement. What is the relationship between ##\alpha## and ##\lvert \alpha \rangle##? Have you asked your instructor for clarification?

I think your interpretation that the question is about coherent states of the harmonic oscillator may be correct. In that case, the state ##\lvert \alpha \rangle## satisfies ##\hat a \lvert \alpha \rangle = \alpha \lvert \alpha \rangle##. You can find ##E_0##, the energy of the ground state of the displaced harmonic oscillator, by completing the square in the Hamiltonian.
 
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