How do you reduce a 90% gold content into 75%

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The discussion revolves around the process of reducing the gold content of an alloy from 90% to 75% by adding silver. Participants explore the calculations involved in determining the amount of silver needed and clarify the implications of the gold percentage in the context of jewelry and material properties.

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  • One participant presents a scenario involving five rings weighing 18 grams each, questioning how much silver to add to achieve a 75% gold content.
  • The participant also asks whether melting the rings results in a total weight of 90 grams and presents an equation to solve the problem, which they later question the validity of.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation presented is incorrect and asks for clarification on the formulas for total mass and percentage of gold in the alloy.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the rationale behind reducing gold content, noting that gold is more valuable than silver.
  • A later reply clarifies that the intention is not to devalue gold but to create a more useful material (18 carat gold) for specific applications.

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Participants generally agree on the need for clarification regarding the calculations and the rationale behind the gold reduction. However, there is disagreement on the correctness of the initial equation and the motivations for altering the gold content.

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The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings in the formulation of the problem and the assumptions regarding the value and utility of different gold concentrations. The mathematical steps presented remain unresolved, and the implications of the gold-to-silver ratio are debated.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in metallurgy, jewelry making, or those studying material properties and alloy compositions.

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The title says it all.

Say you have 5 rings, each weighing 18 grams (10% alloy and 90% gold).
If you would melt them all and add silver to make it 75% gold,

1) how much silver do you have to add?

2) Does melting 5 rings with 18grams each give 90 grams in total?

3) is this equation to solve for this problem right?

let x = amount of silver to add
total grams = 90 g

total grams (.90) + x silver (100%) = total grams + x (.75)
90(.9) + 1x = 90(.75)
81 + x = 67.5 + .75x
x = -54

4) Am I doing/thinking them all wrong?

thanks.
 
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This is a homework type question, I am moving it to HW forum.

You are right about total mass of gold being 90 g, but this equation

acen_gr said:
total grams (.90) + x silver (100%) = total grams + x (.75)

is wrong (and to be honest I am not even able to decipher what you tried to do).

Let's assume (like you nicely did), that you added x g of silver.

If so, what is the formula for the total mass of the alloy?

What is the formula for the percentage of gold in this alloy?
 
more importantly, why do you want to turn more gold to less? That stuff is more expensive than silver anyway
 
Woopydalan said:
more importantly, why do you want to turn more gold to less? That stuff is more expensive than silver anyway

He is not wanting to turn more into less; he is wanting to turn more into even more.

Starting with x gram of gold and y gram of other stuff to make (x + y) gram of "gold" (90%), he wants to add z gram of other stuff to make (x + y + z) gram of "gold" (75%).

And no, even if it is not a homework question, he is not likely to be pulling a swindle. 75% gold is 18 carat gold, which is a much more useful material for certain purposes than pure gold.
 

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