How Do You Calculate Torque on a Wrench?

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The discussion revolves around calculating torque applied to a wrench in various scenarios, including the effects of angle and the application of weight. The problem involves understanding the relationship between force, distance, and angle in the context of torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque using the formula involving radius, force, and sine of the angle. There is uncertainty regarding the correct angle to use in the sine function and how to interpret the results, particularly in the third part of the problem.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of angles in calculations and the importance of calculator settings. There is an ongoing exploration of when to use sine versus cosine based on contextual understanding of torque.

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Participants are navigating issues related to calculator modes (radians vs. degrees) and the implications of angle selection on the torque calculation. There is a focus on ensuring that the mathematical approach aligns with physical intuition.

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Homework Statement


(a) Suppose you have just barely loosened a rusty bolt. Your mass is 80 kg and you have a wrench of length L = 50 cm placed as shown in the diagram below, and hung off the end so all your weight was applied, in the downward direction, to the end of the wrench. What is the magnitude and direction of the torque?
magnitude 392 N m
direction counterclockwise
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(b) Now suppose you had a bolt that needed to be tightened to 250 N · m. You place the wrench as shown in the diagram below, and hung off the end so all your weight was applied, in the downward direction, to the end of the wrench. What length wrench would you need to tighten the bolt completely?
L = .3189 m
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(c) Suppose you had the same wrench as in part (a), but you placed the wrench at an angle θ = 54° with the vertical, as shown below. How much torque is applied to the bolt?
magnitude
direction clockwise
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Homework Equations


Torque=radius x force (in this case, weight) x sin(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am having difficulty with the 3rd part. If the torque is as the above equation,
T=.5 m x 80kg x 9.8 m/s2 x sin(54)
=-219.0
which magnitude is 219 N m with a clockwise direction
However, this is incorrect. Perhaps this is my angle-do I need to subtract 54 from 90? How do you know what angle to look at? Where do you form the right triangle for the correct trig?
 
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tennisgirl92 said:
T=.5 m x 80kg x 9.8 m/s2 x sin(54)
=-219.0
The algebra is right, but you should have noticed it ought to give a positive answer. (To get the expected negative sign for the torque you would need to put in the appropriate sign on the angle, i.e. -54 degrees.)
What did you forget to do when you entered the angle into the sine function on your calculator?
 
haruspex said:
The algebra is right, but you should have noticed it ought to give a positive answer. (To get the expected negative sign for the torque you would need to put in the appropriate sign on the angle, i.e. -54 degrees.)
What did you forget to do when you entered the angle into the sine function on your calculator?
hmm...my calculator was in radian mode. I need degree mode, don't I? ha
 
tennisgirl92 said:
hmm...my calculator was in radian mode. I need degree mode, don't I? ha
Right.

With regard to deciding when to take sine and when cosine, I always check by considering a corner case, i.e. the angle being 0 or 90. Would the value of the trig function make sense in context? In the present case, when the angle is a right angle you would get maximum torque, so sine is right.
 
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haruspex said:
Right.

With regard to deciding when to take sine and when cosine, I always check by considering a corner case, i.e. the angle being 0 or 90. Would the value of the trig function make sense in context? In the present case, when the angle is a right angle you would get maximum torque, so sine is right.

Thank you! That was most helpful.
 

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