How Do You Set Up Double Integrals for Different Orders of Integration?

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The discussion revolves around setting up double integrals for a specific function over a defined region. Participants explore different orders of integration without evaluating the integrals, focusing on the theoretical setup and the boundaries of the region defined by the curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the region of integration using vertical strips, noting that the bounds are from $x = 0$ to $x = 4$, with $y$ ranging from $0$ to $\sqrt{x}$.
  • Another participant suggests using horizontal strips, indicating that these strips are bounded on the left by $x = y^2$ and on the right by $x = 4$, with $y$ ranging from $0$ to $2$.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the setup of the integrals, seeking solution steps.
  • A later reply provides a detailed setup for both orders of integration, including the integrals for horizontal and vertical strips, while also noting the evaluation of these integrals despite the initial request not to evaluate.
  • One participant comments on the frequency of similar posts by another user, suggesting that posting one question at a time might lead to self-discovery of solutions.

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There is no clear consensus on the preferred method of setting up the double integrals, as participants present different approaches and express varying levels of understanding and confidence in their setups.

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Participants do not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the integration process, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the setup of the region and the integrals.

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Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S y/(1 + x^2) dA

R: region bounded by y = 0, y = sqrt{x}, x = 4

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.
 
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Harpazo said:
Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S y/(1 + x^2) dA

R: region bounded by y = 0, y = sqrt{x}, x = 4

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.

First we should note that the functions intersect at (0, 0), so if we use vertical strips we see that they will go from x = 0 to x = 4. The bottom of each strip is bounded by the x-axis (y = 0) and the top of each strip is bounded by the function $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{x} \end{align*}$. So that means our region of integration is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq y \leq \sqrt{x} \end{align*}$ with $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq x \leq 4 \end{align*}$
 
Harpazo said:
Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S y/(1 + x^2) dA

R: region bounded by y = 0, y = sqrt{x}, x = 4

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.
Have you considered that if you post these one at a time you might be able to solve some on your own? You have posted five threads with pretty much the exact same question.

-Dan
 
Thank you everyone.
 
Harpazo said:
Set up an integral for both orders of integration.
DO NOT EVALUATE THE INTEGRAL.

Let S S = double integrals

Let R = region

S S y/(1 + x^2) dA

R: region bounded by y = 0, y = sqrt{x}, x = 4

I can graph the region but have no idea how to proceed from there. I need solution steps.

Let's first look at the region $D$ over which we are directed to integrate:

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Now if we use horizontal strips, then we see they are bound on the left by $x=y^2$ and on the right by $x=4$. We also see that these horizontal strips run from $y=0 $to $y=2$. And so we may write the integral as:

$$I=\int_0^2 y\int_{y^2}^4 \frac{1}{x^2+1}\,dx\,dy$$

Evaluating (I know you asked not to evaluate, but I figure enough time has gone by, and I wish to check to be sure we get the same result regardless of integration order), we obtain:

$$I=\int_0^2 y\arctan(4)-y\arctan\left(y^2\right)\,dy=\frac{1}{4}\ln(17)$$

Now, if we set this up with vertical strips, we see that they are bound on the bottom by $y=0$ and on the top by $y=\sqrt{x}$, and that these strips run from $x=0$ to $x=4$. And so we may write the integral as:

$$I=\int_0^4 \frac{1}{x^2+1}\int_0^{\sqrt{x}} y\,dy\,dx$$

Evaluating, we obtain:

$$I=\frac{1}{4}\int_0^4\frac{2x}{x^2+1}\,dx=\frac{1}{4}\ln(17)$$

I found this method simpler to integrate. :D
 

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MarkFL said:
Let's first look at the region $D$ over which we are directed to integrate:
Now if we use horizontal strips, then we see they are bound on the left by $x=y^2$ and on the right by $x=4$. We also see that these horizontal strips run from $y=0 $to $y=2$. And so we may write the integral as:

$$I=\int_0^2 y\int_{y^2}^4 \frac{1}{x^2+1}\,dx\,dy$$

Evaluating (I know you asked not to evaluate, but I figure enough time has gone by, and I wish to check to be sure we get the same result regardless of integration order), we obtain:

$$I=\int_0^2 y\arctan(4)-y\arctan\left(y^2\right)\,dy=\frac{1}{4}\ln(17)$$

Now, if we set this up with vertical strips, we see that they are bound on the bottom by $y=0$ and on the top by $y=\sqrt{x}$, and that these strips run from $x=0$ to $x=4$. And so we may write the integral as:

$$I=\int_0^4 \frac{1}{x^2+1}\int_0^{\sqrt{x}} y\,dy\,dx$$

Evaluating, we obtain:

$$I=\frac{1}{4}\int_0^4\frac{2x}{x^2+1}\,dx=\frac{1}{4}\ln(17)$$

I found this method simpler to integrate. :D

Wonderfully done!
 

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