How Do You Solve a Vector Tension Problem with Three Ropes?

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The problem involves analyzing the tension in three ropes supporting two weights of 20 N and 10 N. The original poster attempts to establish equations based on the forces acting on the system, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their equations and the need for a third equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss separating forces into x and y components and suggest focusing on vertical forces for each weight. There is a mention of using force diagrams to aid in forming equations. Some participants question the original poster's understanding of component separation in a multi-weight system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the use of force diagrams and equations. There is recognition of the need for clarity in separating forces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or equations.

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There is a mention of having four equations available for analysis, but the original poster struggles with the application of these in a system involving multiple weights. The discussion reflects a learning process where assumptions and methods are being examined without definitive conclusions.

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Homework Statement

2 weights of 20 N and 10 N are hung from 3 ropes. Find the tension of T1, T2, and T3:
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The attempt at a solution

If I designate one of the points as the origin, I get:

[tex]T_1sin45+T_2sin0+T_3sin30=30 N[/tex]

and

[tex]T_2cos0+T_3cos30-T_1sin45=0[/tex]

I'm having trouble finding a third equation... if those two are even right in the first place.
 
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Try and stick to separating the forces into x and y components, at least mentally.

If you think about the forces that only act in the vertical direction for each weight separately you should be able to pretty much read off the values for T1 and T3, just use one of those to get you on to the shared tension.

You have four equations at your disposal, both axes for both weights.
 
Kabbotta said:
Try and stick to separating the forces into x and y components, at least mentally.

If you think about the forces that only act in the vertical direction for each weight separately you should be able to pretty much read off the values for T1 and T3, just use one of those to get you on to the shared tension.

You have four equations at your disposal, both axes for both weights.

Sorry... I don't understand what you're saying. I don't know how to separate it into components with a system with more than one weight.
 
Sorry I thought that might be the problem,

At each junction of wires you can draw a little force diagram like this.

You can create four equations by focusing on only one axis at a time.

First one, this is only the force that acts parallel to the y-axis w/ the left knot at it's center.

[tex]\sum F_{y} = T_{1}Sin(45) -20 N. = 0[/tex]
 

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